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#41
Knife Sharpening / Re: Besoin d'aides
Last post by tgbto - November 07, 2024, 09:04:55 AMIn a nutshell, the OP says they can't get a knife close to sharp with their T4 that came with an out-of-round wheel that they trued afterwards. I suggest more/more careful honing, preferably with a MB-102.
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Xav,
Sans avoir le détail de ta technique il va être assez compliqué de t'aider. Notamment, quel angle choisis tu, et comment règles tu la hauteur de la barre de support ?
Ceci dit, si tu arrives à lever un morfil de chaque côté de la lame, la technique de meulage est OK, et il faut regarder du côté du démorfilage. D'expérience, la Tormek peut créer des morfils qui prennent beaucoup de temps à enlever, en particulier avec un démorfilage à main levée.
Mes deux conseils pour voir :
- Passer *beaucoup* de temps à démorfiler, et choisir l'angle en commençant avec un angle trop faible, et en allant jusqu'à sentir et entendre que la roue en cuir "gratte" sur la lame, et que des petits morceaux de déchets grisâtres se détachent (mélange de pâte à polir et de métal).
- Acheter une MB-102 si tu ne l'as pas déjà, voire un KS-123. Cela permet de contrôler l'angle de démorfilage, et d'être plus efficace sans risquer d'arrondir le tranchant en démorfilant. Démorfiler à l'angle d'affûtage + 2 degrés est un bon point de départ.
Tu peux également, si tu as une ponceuse à bande avec une bande de démorfilage, essayer de meuler sur la tormek et de démorfiler sur la ponceuse, pour confirmer que c'est bien le démorfilage à la Tormek qui est problématique.
J'espère que ça t'aidera.
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Xav,
Sans avoir le détail de ta technique il va être assez compliqué de t'aider. Notamment, quel angle choisis tu, et comment règles tu la hauteur de la barre de support ?
Ceci dit, si tu arrives à lever un morfil de chaque côté de la lame, la technique de meulage est OK, et il faut regarder du côté du démorfilage. D'expérience, la Tormek peut créer des morfils qui prennent beaucoup de temps à enlever, en particulier avec un démorfilage à main levée.
Mes deux conseils pour voir :
- Passer *beaucoup* de temps à démorfiler, et choisir l'angle en commençant avec un angle trop faible, et en allant jusqu'à sentir et entendre que la roue en cuir "gratte" sur la lame, et que des petits morceaux de déchets grisâtres se détachent (mélange de pâte à polir et de métal).
- Acheter une MB-102 si tu ne l'as pas déjà, voire un KS-123. Cela permet de contrôler l'angle de démorfilage, et d'être plus efficace sans risquer d'arrondir le tranchant en démorfilant. Démorfiler à l'angle d'affûtage + 2 degrés est un bon point de départ.
Tu peux également, si tu as une ponceuse à bande avec une bande de démorfilage, essayer de meuler sur la tormek et de démorfiler sur la ponceuse, pour confirmer que c'est bien le démorfilage à la Tormek qui est problématique.
J'espère que ça t'aidera.
#42
Knife Sharpening / Besoin d'aides
Last post by Xav62 - November 07, 2024, 08:36:30 AMBonjour j'aurais besoin de votre aide car je ne comprends pas d'où le problème vient j'ai aiguisé des centaines de couteau dans ma vie sans aucun problème avec un peu tout et n'importe quoi comme machine je me suis fait plaisir l'an dernier en achetant une T4 qui est arrivé avec la meule voilée et arrondi que j'ai redressé cependant avec cette machine je suis incapable de faire un réel tranchant rasoir ni même un tranchant convenable tout court chose que j'ai pourtant réussi systématiquement depuis très longtemps même avec de vieilles meules complètement ovalisées qui ont plus de 60 ans
Je n'arrive pas à comprendre pourquoi si vous pouvez m'aider d'avance merci
Je n'arrive pas à comprendre pourquoi si vous pouvez m'aider d'avance merci
#43
General Tormek Questions / Re: T1 availability
Last post by MerryMadMick - November 05, 2024, 09:57:32 PMThanks for the info Ken.
I own a shop, a kitchen, and enjoy bushcraft. Restricting what one retailer can sell for marketing reasons seems shortsighted. Less convenient for me at any rate.
I own a shop, a kitchen, and enjoy bushcraft. Restricting what one retailer can sell for marketing reasons seems shortsighted. Less convenient for me at any rate.
#44
General Tormek Questions / Re: T1 availability
Last post by Ken S - November 05, 2024, 09:16:29 PMGood question, MMM.
Tormek decided to create three separate marketing divisions. One for "the woodworking machines" (the T8 and T4); a culinary division for the T1 and T2; and a bushcraft division for the T4 Bushcraft. My guess is that they may have felt a culinary customer might be better served by a specialty dealer.
Ken
Tormek decided to create three separate marketing divisions. One for "the woodworking machines" (the T8 and T4); a culinary division for the T1 and T2; and a bushcraft division for the T4 Bushcraft. My guess is that they may have felt a culinary customer might be better served by a specialty dealer.
Ken
#45
General Tormek Questions / Re: SG Grindstone vs Diamond W...
Last post by MerryMadMick - November 05, 2024, 07:31:38 PMNot sure if its relevant, but I use the SB as a first pass after I reset primary bevels on an aggressive CBN wheel or to repair heavily damaged chisels or plane irons. I leave it set to an aggressive grit using a 80-grit diamond plate.
I don't sharpen carbide all that often, mainly O1, A2, W2, and PM-V11, but when I do the SB works the charm. I'll finishing the edge with the SG set to a fine grit with a 400-grit diamond plate.
I don't sharpen carbide all that often, mainly O1, A2, W2, and PM-V11, but when I do the SB works the charm. I'll finishing the edge with the SG set to a fine grit with a 400-grit diamond plate.
#46
General Tormek Questions / T1 availability
Last post by MerryMadMick - November 05, 2024, 07:19:31 PMHello.
I've been wanting to get a T1 that I can keep in the kitchen. Talking to my usual Tormek suppliers they are unable to get stock for resale but I can get them from a kitchen supply retailer (Canada). Would anyone know why a regular Tormek retailer would be unable to sell them? I don't mind buying from the kitchen supply place but I'd rather support the business that supported me.
Thanks.
I've been wanting to get a T1 that I can keep in the kitchen. Talking to my usual Tormek suppliers they are unable to get stock for resale but I can get them from a kitchen supply retailer (Canada). Would anyone know why a regular Tormek retailer would be unable to sell them? I don't mind buying from the kitchen supply place but I'd rather support the business that supported me.
Thanks.
#47
Tormek T-1 and T-2 / Re: Starting Knife Sharpening ...
Last post by Ken S - November 05, 2024, 06:12:23 AMAn addition to my earlier reply:
Granted, using the T1 instruction manual as a supporting source seems logical. However, I favor a different method of forming an opinion. I look for related topics on the forum. If I find several related topics with the same or similar difficulties, I conclude that there may be a problem, either with the Tormek product itself of with the way it is being used. If, on the other hand, I cannot find related problem topics based on actual first hand intended use, I become doubtful.
Personally, I doubt there will be any actual, in the field overheating problem. if I was a customer, I would be more concerned with having very sharp knives than possibly having a minor delay. I don't see much difference between sharpening your knives at home than with a very small side sharpening business. Understand that the primary market for the T1 is the home chef. If it appears that your sharpening business is growing faster than you expected, consider investing in a T2, T4, or T8 depending on how large you want to become.
Granted, using the T1 instruction manual as a supporting source seems logical. However, I favor a different method of forming an opinion. I look for related topics on the forum. If I find several related topics with the same or similar difficulties, I conclude that there may be a problem, either with the Tormek product itself of with the way it is being used. If, on the other hand, I cannot find related problem topics based on actual first hand intended use, I become doubtful.
Personally, I doubt there will be any actual, in the field overheating problem. if I was a customer, I would be more concerned with having very sharp knives than possibly having a minor delay. I don't see much difference between sharpening your knives at home than with a very small side sharpening business. Understand that the primary market for the T1 is the home chef. If it appears that your sharpening business is growing faster than you expected, consider investing in a T2, T4, or T8 depending on how large you want to become.
#48
General Tormek Questions / Re: PR - 250 Renovation Projec...
Last post by Fragensteller - November 03, 2024, 01:29:21 PMAs I know the pr 250 was meant as a heavy duty machine - for big butcheries, slaughterhouses and so on. On my machine is a sticker from a central-clinic-kitchen. There are some informations here https://forum.tormek.com/index.php/topic,4040.msg27977.html#msg27977
Lets see what the support will answer :-)
Greetings
Thomas
Lets see what the support will answer :-)
Greetings
Thomas
#49
General Tormek Questions / Re: PR - 250 Renovation Projec...
Last post by Dan - November 02, 2024, 10:22:14 PMthe Tormek PR-250 would appear to be a dedicated knife sharpening machine 
https://www.ricardo.ch/de/a/tormek-pr-250-mit-stein-sg-250-220-1220356278/
https://www.ricardo.ch/de/a/tormek-pr-250-mit-stein-sg-250-220-1220356278/#image_gallery_fullscreen
https://www.ricardo.ch/de/a/tormek-pr-250-mit-stein-sg-250-220-1220356278/#image_gallery_fullscreen
looks to me like the extra long support bar
https://tormek.com/en/products/accessories/us-430-extended-universal-support
would be suitable but maybe the position of the holes is not the same as the modern machines???
I think Tormek support would give best advice, like Ken says.
https://www.ricardo.ch/de/a/tormek-pr-250-mit-stein-sg-250-220-1220356278/
https://www.ricardo.ch/de/a/tormek-pr-250-mit-stein-sg-250-220-1220356278/#image_gallery_fullscreen
https://www.ricardo.ch/de/a/tormek-pr-250-mit-stein-sg-250-220-1220356278/#image_gallery_fullscreen
looks to me like the extra long support bar
https://tormek.com/en/products/accessories/us-430-extended-universal-support
would be suitable but maybe the position of the holes is not the same as the modern machines???
I think Tormek support would give best advice, like Ken says.
#50
General Tormek Questions / Re: PR - 250 Renovation Projec...
Last post by Ken S - November 02, 2024, 10:05:41 PMWelcome to the forum, Thomas.
I am not familiar with the PR-250. However, do not despair. When I visited Tormek last year, I met Mats,the Head of Support. Mats is a very dedicated employee and a good fellow. He has been with Tormek since the 1980s, and may well have worked on building your Tormek.
Part of the Tormek philosophy is non obsolesce. Mats canadvise you on what what pieces you might needto get your PR-250 back on active duty. Here is a link to support (support@tormek.se)
Please keep us posted.
Ken
I am not familiar with the PR-250. However, do not despair. When I visited Tormek last year, I met Mats,the Head of Support. Mats is a very dedicated employee and a good fellow. He has been with Tormek since the 1980s, and may well have worked on building your Tormek.
Part of the Tormek philosophy is non obsolesce. Mats canadvise you on what what pieces you might needto get your PR-250 back on active duty. Here is a link to support (support@tormek.se)
Please keep us posted.
Ken