New angle jig KS-123

[cbwx34]

I understand that ^^

I might not have been clear enough : I was thinking of how when you set the whole thingamajig up with a given protrusion distance, and you want to use the adjustability of the SVM to setup another knife for the same sharpening angle. Ie not adjust the jig to the second knife then adjust USB, but rather use the SVM handle to adjust the protrusion distance to match that of the first knife without touching the USB. Does it make sense ?

Ah, it does now.

You could just leave the KS jig set at the desired Protrusion, then for the second knife snap on the KS jig and hold the SVM stop against the USB and move it in or out until it matches.  I don't think one would be easier than the other?... other than you'd have to attach the KS jig each time, vs having the wood block sitting there might be a bit easier.

[RickKrung]

For those who have experience with this jig : how easy is it to replicate a protrusion distance with it along with a SVM jig ? Simple enough or is it easier to take a separate measurement using the wood-block method ?

Thanks !

There's no difference in using the KJ vs the SVM jig to set up the KS-123.

BTW, for a bit of trivia, the KS handles a Projection Distance of 122-158 mm.

These are questions I'm going to be interested in exploring, soon.  I picked up the new angle setting tool at a retail store recently, but I'm not at home, so haven't been able to try it out.  I have a KJ jig but have not been a fan of it yet due to the inability to adjust the protrusion (using the moveable stop as on the SVM jigs).  I'm glad to see the projection range values for the KS-123, I've been wondering about that. I read folks saying the KS is "fast and easy" to use, but unless the knife projection is exactly the same from one knife to another, one has to change the USB height for each different projection.  I realize it may be possible to set projections the same using the KJ jigs, within a limited range, but it is just not the same as the SVM where the range is much wider. 

I have 6 SVMs (4 45s and 2 140s) so can set up, up to six knives with exactly the same projection and run through all six, and can run all six across four grinding wheels (180 CBN, DC, DF and DE) without changing the USB height.  That is fast and easy and will be what I compare with when trying out the combination of the KJ and KS. 

Just out of curiousity, has anyone determined the range of blade widths that can be set to the same projection using the KJ jigs?  It would be a matter of how deeply the spine of each blade is gripped in the KJ jaws, correct?  Can't be very much and still have a good grip on the narrower blades. 

[cbwx34]

Thanks, my frustration was channeled that way. And it does offer repeatability, but 15.5 degrees per side might be 15 degrees.

You could always check it against a calculator app, but if you're within 1/2 a degree making that from, I'm guessing pictures? Hats off.  I wouldn't worry about it.

(That level of accuracy is a bit overhyped anyway.)

To be honest, I was totally wrong about repeatability. It turned out to be far off on smaller pocket knifes. Anyhow I'm expecting a new one today.

Interesting.  Well, at least it kept you distracted waiting for the replacement. 

[cbwx34]

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Just out of curiousity, has anyone determined the range of blade widths that can be set to the same projection using the KJ jigs?  It would be a matter of how deeply the spine of each blade is gripped in the KJ jaws, correct?  Can't be very much and still have a good grip on the narrower blades.

Ken posted this a while back... (I haven't verified it).

3D,

You have posted a well done, balanced comparison. I do have some thoughts on comment: " * Handle/stop is fixed, so you can't adjust projection distance".
I agree somewhat; the end stop is not threaded and cannot be adjusted. However,
the amount of insertion in the clamp jaws can can be varied from 2 to almost 13 mm. That is a range of almost 12mm. Most kitchen knives fall in the range of 12 mm to 50 mm. This translates to four or five kenjig style Projection settings. Admittedly, one pre 2002 SVM-45 jig can handle this entire range.

I do not intend to imply that the KJ-45 is as convenient to adjust as the
SVM-45. I only want to state that the KJ-45 is not entirely "fixed" in Projection.

Ken

[BUTCHER]

I use 5 and 6-inch Victorinox boning knives and 8 and 10-inch breaking knives which are quite a bit wider than the boning knives.
I have a setup with a block and a measuring ruler and Most knives can handle the 125 mm protrusion.
I just put the knife in the kj 45 jig and before I tighten it up I push it against the block to get a consistent 125 mm protrusion and push down on the jaws so it can't move and tighten up the screw.
I usually do anywhere from 10 to 30 knives at a time this way and its fast and repeatable.
The only issue I've had is on the thicker victory knives but it can also work on them

[John Hancock Sr]

Just ordered mine from one of my favourite Australian Tormek dealers from eBay. Just appeared as a new listing today so their stocks must have just arrived. Funny twist, the listing is AU$95 which appears to be the RRP with $10 shipping. But the listing has a $10 discount voucher. So in effect free shipping!

Can't wait to try it out. Our kitchen knives need re-sharpening so it will do overtime when it arrives.

[AlInAussieLand]

Just ordered mine from one of my favourite Australian Tormek dealers from eBay. Just appeared as a new listing today so their stocks must have just arrived. Funny twist, the listing is AU$95 which appears to be the RRP with $10 shipping. But the listing has a $10 discount voucher. So in effect free shipping!

Can't wait to try it out. Our kitchen knives need re-sharpening so it will do overtime when it arrives.

Got mine a few days ago.
You will love it. Absolute child's play to set up.
Like others said, add 1/2 to 1 degree for the honing and you have a close to perfect result in double quick time.
Despite that I have my T8 just a month at most and just sharpened less then a dozen knifes, the ease of use for the combo KS-123 & MB102 gives very precise results, spatially for guys like me that are new to the Tormek/Grinder experience.

[John Hancock Sr]

Got mine a few days ago.

Where did you get yours from? All of the listings I saw were OOS or pre-order.

[AlInAussieLand]

Got mine a few days ago.

Where did you get yours from? All of the listings I saw were OOS or pre-order.

Got mine from "Wood Tamer" https://www.woodtamer.com.au/collections/tormek-tool-sharpening-system-and-accessories/products/ks-123-knife-angle-setter
It was a little bit more expensive due to their postage costs, but I would say that I got mine as one of the very first here in OZ>

[John Hancock Sr]

Got mine from "Wood Tamer"

I never saw it come off pre-order. They must have pre-sold the first shipment. I am a little more mercenary so I waited until I could get one RRP!

Mine should be here tomorrow. Going straight to my parcel locker.

[Brock O Lee]

Mine arrived today, also from Wood Tamer.

[darita]

Just got this from Sharpening Supplies, where I have an order for a second that was placed the day after release...
"Thank you for your order of the KS-123. We wanted to reach out to you to keep you up to date on the status of your order.

Months of planning and preparation were put into place anticipating the release of the new KS-123. Demand far exceeded the factory's (and our) expectations. Due to the overwhelming popularity of this item, the factory is diligently in production and they are planning to air ship more jigs to us. We're looking forward to receiving our shipment in approx. 1-2 weeks.

Please rest assured that we do have one on reserve for you, and as soon as we receive our shipment, we will ship your order out to you immediately. We will alert you by sending you a shipping confirmation at that time.

I apologize for the extremely long wait. Thank you for your patience."

[3D Anvil]

I got the same email, and I ordered the morning of release.   

[KnifeChef]

Very new Tormek user from years of WE.
Just received mine, haven't worked with it yet. Try this link at Rockler

https://www.rockler.com/tormek-ks-123-knife-angle-setter?sid=V91023&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw1K-zBhBIEiwAWeCOFyV2ib4j-oEg3DIWPedCpxcc-877bgcRp7BBN3bq2AonCQItKWaYgxoC4a4QAvD_BwE

[v6turbo]

FYI

sharpening supplies show it in stock and i just ordered one !!