DBS 22 Flute index stop.

[G550Ret]

I recently acquired the drill jig, and I must say, I really like it. That being said, I thought there must be a quicker less fiddly way of aligning the flutes. After staring at the drill holder part of the jig, I began to wonder if the Tormek engineers have ever played with the idea of a stop of some type. What I have in mind could consist of a hole and slot drilled into the side of the jig,(it looks like there is plenty of meat to work with) then a "key" pin, possibly with a "flag" stop incorporated into it.It would reach the cutting edge for both flute alignment, and projection length. Probably could index the flag, or just have a set angled a little counter and clockwise for those of us that preset a bit counter if we know a lot needs to be removed. Now, don't mock my toothpick and paper pin flag, it's all I had within reach of my keyboard.
Anyway, I wonder if anyone has played around with this aspect of the jig.Someday I may drop by my favorite machine shop and see what they say.

[G550Ret]

Having trouble with posting,  let me try another upload.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4zqr8r7a5gibv8t585b53/2024-02-11-19.25.04.jpg?rlkey=zm4i2hp3gh7xnoqw65j8z5q7n&dl=0 some pics, 

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ybbct1zzq7iepmrfjofeg/2024-02-11-19.25.28.jpg?rlkey=4j2o1yi68icsegc2aahl8w2fx&dl=0

[RickKrung]

Very timely, at least for me.  Recently, I viewed some YT videos reviewing a drill sharpening tool, this one branded "Vevor", but it appears to be one of those asian tools that all sorts pick up and put their own brand on.  There is a plethora of YT videos reviewing these drill sharpeners, so they must be making a blitz.  But here is a link to the YT video that best shows the alignment process and the image below is a screen capture an aligned 1/2" drill point.  Discussion of the drill point alignment process begins about 9:00 into the video.  There is a second video that goes into the actual drill sharpening. 

Point is, it has a specific "slot" for setting the projection length for the drill and orientation of the flutes for the second step which is the actual sharpening.  When I saw that, I thought similarly like you, that there needs to be something like that for the DBS-22.  I'm not at home for another day or two, so can't fiddle with it.  It also has a moveable height feature which sets the lip orientation based on the diameter of the drill. 

One of the things I've noticed about that alignment step is that the instructions say to line it up using that viewing device such that the lip is parallel with the pointer, but I have found that it needs to be rotated slightly higher so there is material that gets removed to RESULT in the flute lip being parallel with the pointer.

Some time after I return home, I'm going to look at what might be done for coming up with an alignment jig for the DBS clamp.  I had difficulty following your train of thought, so it will be interesting to see where you get with it.

Rick

[G550Ret]

Yes, that one does index on the cutting edge, similar to what I have in mind. I'll make a little wooden model or something to help with my description.

[G550Ret]

https://www.dropbox.com/l/AACo3MZPKVmnniLAHh_-jx1-nA0zuAfP7bI


https://www.dropbox.com/l/AAD7rxCudHU8f3U2Mx8ngXgSHmcTYIe4Cu8

https://www.dropbox.com/l/AADKPB3y6anUx_60mw0WS4Xm9ZKwyzgI91E

https://www.dropbox.com/l/AADA6aJv5FHZk7WrrO9IVVb9SDOmSdReudA

https://www.dropbox.com/l/AAA6S4iJsWe7CdA8Qg94tGM152QvS2mc448

Hopefully these pics will convey my idea a little more clearly. I apologize for my fumbling around the forum, but I'm still learning.
I had in mind the "pin flag" would be one piece of steel, something to just slide into the pin hole slot.
So, for me, I envision holding the drill clamp in my right hand with thumb and finger on clamp knob, put drill into clamp, slide pin in, rotate drill until  cutting edge hits stop("flag"), tighten clamp. As mentioned, stops could be engineered to have different angles to set the edge a little off parallel. Or maybe design an adjustable one. Lots of options I think.
Yes, it would mean more machining, etc., but it could eliminate using the projection boss, and the magnifying tool.   

[RichColvin]

I don't find this to be that onerous, and as Rick noted, at times the alignment is not along the marks.  

[John Hancock Sr]

I found the Tormek Sharpening Class on the drill guide really helpful. They also talk about rotating the drill slightly for dull drill bits.

https://www.youtube.com/live/kUrJOQryFEg?si=BetD8broNZp5niU3

[RickKrung]

I expect I watched that one back when I was looking at Tormeks in August 2017. Skipping through in now, it appears to cover the primary operations nicely.  The video that was most helpful for me was Alan Holtham's excellent video.  Another excellent resource on drill bit geometries is Joseph Mazoff's article.  The two of these were major reasons motivating me to get a Tormek.  Quite the rabbit hole for a while. 

[Ken S]

I have a DBS-22 which I use infrequently. I rewatch Alan Holtham's excellent video before each time.

Ken