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Thanks, i thought you promoted t4?   

I think i would regret buying a t 4 if it wasnt up to the task.
But equally i would regret buying a t8 if im not using it to its potential and a t4 would have been adequate.

The money i save will be put to good use, dust extraction system, fender telecaster,

its more a question of getting the right one rather than marketing hype. My preference is still for the t4 provided its up to the task. That is my concern. 

If you take the grass trimmer and shears out of the equation as it looks to be to much effort to undo some of them.

so its just the axe and normal woodworking tools. Would you still go for the t8 bearing in mind the t4 bushcraft is marketed to do axes and i have just the one axe and while it needs the occasional sharpening, it wont get sharpened that often once ive dealt with the hedge (and currently all gardening equipment just gets sharpened with a file and has done for the last 40 years). The main use will be planes and chisels and knives of which i have a good collection all maintained on a selection of oil and waterstone by hand and while the secondary angle is a bit steep on some, they have not been abused.

The t8 is more expensive but only by between 25 and 33% depending how you do the maths. I accept the guarantee is the same but it does look a better made machine. Its just a bigger initial hit and im not sure i need it. I keep deciding on the t4 where i can get all i need for less than a t8 but...

Thought id continue this thread rather than start a new one in the general section where it really belongs Ken.

Tormek TT-50 Diamond Truing Devic

If one buys a new tormek, do you have to true the wheel first,  or do they come with wheels already true enough to start sharpening planes and chisels?

Thanks.

Im still learning /researching but 2 things that strike me about this thread

1) if you take ken's suggestion about a diamond stone and are worried by the concave grind, adding the mb-100 multi base would enable you to get a flat angle using the side of the stone.

2) are you planning to take your blades right back to 25 deg and then add the second angle or are you just trying to reduce the amount of material above the second bevel?

Watching the video on some "finger nail"? wood turning gouges, they are taking material off at a less steep angle after the principle sharpening angle so surely the amount you are removing will vary on each blade and so getting times will vary considerably.

I am currently considering my approach as i notice that some of my chisels and plane blades  have a rather long second angle and am currently planning on just reducing the amount of material for the first bevel, rather than taking it right backand then building up. So would value comment from other forum members on this approach. (Im referring to the principle, not to the gouge tool jig.)

Thanks ken for the response and welcome.

yes, im very drawn to the t 8 for exactly the reasons you mention. The comment on shears is particularly helpful.

As to jigs, i think i need the
SVM-45 Short knife jig and SVM-00 Small Knife Holder for my morkaniv 106 and 120 and folding knives as well as normal kitchen knives.
SVX-150 Scissor jig for scissors and shears
SVS-38 Short tool jig For gouges
SVA-170 Axe grinding kit for the axe

And by the time ive bought them i will have nearly spent the same as getting the kit. The only one i cant see a need for is SVM-140 Long thin knife jig But getting the kit, i get something to organise them. So from a cost perspective i think the kit makes sense.

For me the decider is the scissor jig which i can live without if the shears cant be sharpened on a t4 and it sort of points me to t4 bushcraft with slightly fewer jigs.

But will i regret it long term??? Decisions, decisions.

Hi, Im trying to decide which model and jigs to get. Principally a woodworker with planes and chisels but have some carving implements and gouges and also make musical instruments. But im also doing a lot of gardening. Purely for family use. About the only area i dont currently work is wood turning.

having watched the garden tools sharpening video, i wondered if an T4 users have had success in sharpening an axe and a pair Grass edging shears?

My axe wasnt very sharp when i bought it and keeps getting abused but i am using it more now so really want something i can get a good edge on.

Im virtually decided on a t4 with the Hand  tools collection, my logic is that i can see myself using Virtually all the tools at some time plus have somewhere to store them.

but still thinking whether to just go for the bushcraft t4 and a couple of other jigs and not bother with scissors.

Thanks.

Ps the t8 is still a possibility but its really above my budget unless anyone knows how often we get and when is the best time for sales in the uk.