I'm interested in assembling a paper wheel honing setup like the one Wootz used in his videos. I have a good, 1hp, slow speed grinder I can use. I like the steel risers Vadim used as well. How would I construct this setup?
Here is a link to an excellent source for paper wheels:
https://sharpeningmadeeasy.com/paper.htm#desc
Ken
Quote from: Ken S on July 10, 2022, 12:09:02 AM
Here is a link to an excellent source for paper wheels:
https://sharpeningmadeeasy.com/paper.htm#desc
Ken
I know little of what I need, including which paper wheels. I guess I really do need a tutorial on the setup.
There's a page with some info on KGs website...
http://knifegrinders.com.au/11Shop_PWsupport.htm
... that has info on some of the items needed, and according to this post...
https://forum.tormek.com/index.php?topic=5023.0
...they may still have some of the "Stands for grinder", if you can't make your own.
Quote from: cbwx34 on July 10, 2022, 12:58:48 AM
There's a page with some info on KGs website...
http://knifegrinders.com.au/11Shop_PWsupport.htm
... that has info on some of the items needed, and according to this post...
https://forum.tormek.com/index.php?topic=5023.0
...they may still have some of the "Stands for grinder", if you can't make your own.
Thanks so much. This will be a big help. I just sent an email to Daniel for those stands and hope they are the one's I'm thinking they are.
Quote from: cbwx34 on July 10, 2022, 12:58:48 AM
There's a page with some info on KGs website...
http://knifegrinders.com.au/11Shop_PWsupport.htm
... that has info on some of the items needed, and according to this post...
https://forum.tormek.com/index.php?topic=5023.0
...they may still have some of the "Stands for grinder", if you can't make your own.
I see there's a range in the height of the Stands, but if I make my own with square stock, what is the recommended total height? Also, did Vadim use 10" paper wheels in his setup?
Quote from: darita on July 10, 2022, 05:30:05 PM
I see there's a range in the height of the Stands, but if I make my own with square stock, what is the recommended total height? Also, did Vadim use 10" paper wheels in his setup?
I haven't made a setup like KnifeGrinders, so don't have much beyond what's in the links.
Only thing I can suggest is it's recommended to get paper wheels larger than the grinder they're on... so 8" wheels on a 6" grinder, 10" on an 8" grinder, etc. That way the knife will clear the casing. I think I read that KG used 10" wheels since they were about the same size as the grinding wheel on the Tormek.
Thanks. Everything helps. I'll keep searching KG site for info.
On www.knifegrinders.com.au you find under "Equipment we use" a detailed description "Controlled-Angle Setup for Paper Wheels". And the buffer/grinder should be a half-speed grinder as with the full speed grinder the chance to overheat the blade is high.
What is your intention to use paper wheels on a grinder? A Tormek with adequate wheels gives great results.
Regards,
Drilon
I want to use it as part of the protocol that Vadim calls out for in the deburring process.
Quote from: Drilon on July 10, 2022, 08:02:50 PM
What is your intention to use paper wheels on a grinder? A Tormek with adequate wheels gives great results.
Regards,
Drilon
Main advantage of paper wheels is speed.
Ok...I've ordered the USB mounts. Now I'm trying to figure out the size of the square tube I need. Any idea of dimension and wall thickness? Are the bases for the square tubes sold anywhere or were they fabbed up?
The screws to mount the XB100 are about 58mm apart, on center.
I made this ridiculous-looking setup, which works, although it looks ridiculous. ;D
It requires reversing the USB when switching wheels, but that's not a big deal.
Quote from: 3D Anvil on July 13, 2022, 05:05:20 PM
The screws to mount the XB100 are about 58mm apart, on center.
I made this ridiculous-looking setup, which works, although it looks ridiculous. ;D
It requires reversing the USB when switching wheels, but that's not a big deal.
It works, right? That's all it needs to do. Actually, that pic showed me what I need to do to make a base for a square tube. All I need to do is weld a square plate to the bottom of the tube and there's the base. Thanks for the pic!
That's what I would have done if I had a welder ... and knew how to weld.
Quote from: 3D Anvil on July 13, 2022, 05:28:40 PM
That's what I would have done if I had a welder ... and knew how to weld.
Actually, I'm new to welding. I got a Miller 211 about 2 years ago and it's very forgiving. I don't trust my welds to hold anything that undergoes any high stress, but for this kind of stuff, it's ok.
Just a side note (if you care)... with most grinders you can unscrew the motor from the base and turn it around, so the power cord is behind the machine, and the switch is in front.
So, I've read thru the KG USB stand setup and it is a bit confusing. If I'm going to be using CalCapp, do I really need to setup the stands exactly as KG recommends? There are some calculations needed to do that, like the Constant Horizontal and Vertical, etc. Every time I read it, I'm confused by it. Has anyone here done a similar setup?
Quote from: darita on July 15, 2022, 06:46:13 PM
So, I've read thru the KG USB stand setup and it is a bit confusing. If I'm going to be using CalCapp, do I really need to setup the stands exactly as KG recommends? There are some calculations needed to do that, like the Constant Horizontal and Vertical, etc. Every time I read it, I'm confused by it. Has anyone here done a similar setup?
You are correct... if you use Calcapp, you do not need the "constants". So, (within reason) you can set it up however you like.
Quote from: darita on July 15, 2022, 06:46:13 PM
So, I've read thru the KG USB stand setup and it is a bit confusing. If I'm going to be using CalCapp, do I really need to setup the stands exactly as KG recommends? There are some calculations needed to do that, like the Constant Horizontal and Vertical, etc. Every time I read it, I'm confused by it. Has anyone here done a similar setup?
In reality it's not that complicated. If you're using 10" wheels, the center axis of the USB should be 12.5cm from the center axis of the grinder's axle. That's what Wootz calls the "constant horizontal."
The top of the USB should be 220-230mm from the mounting base. That's the "constant vertical."
In practice, it's a little tricky measuring the constant horizontal because the USB and grinder axle are on different levels. You can make up a plumb line to hang off the USB to make it easier. Use a piece of dental floss with a weight tied to the end or something along those lines.
Quote from: 3D Anvil on July 15, 2022, 08:08:32 PM
In reality it's not that complicated. If you're using 10" wheels, the center axis of the USB should be 12.5cm from the center axis of the grinder's axle. That's what Wootz calls the "constant horizontal."
The top of the USB should be 220-230mm from the mounting base. That's the "constant vertical."
...
"Constant vertical" would be from the center of the grinder axle to the top of the stand (or whatever you measure to, to set the USB height).
(Again, not needed for Calcapp). ;)
Quote from: 3D Anvil on July 15, 2022, 08:08:32 PM
Quote from: darita on July 15, 2022, 06:46:13 PM
So, I've read thru the KG USB stand setup and it is a bit confusing. If I'm going to be using CalCapp, do I really need to setup the stands exactly as KG recommends? There are some calculations needed to do that, like the Constant Horizontal and Vertical, etc. Every time I read it, I'm confused by it. Has anyone here done a similar setup?
In reality it's not that complicated. If you're using 10" wheels, the center axis of the USB should be 12.5cm from the center axis of the grinder's axle. That's what Wootz calls the "constant horizontal."
The top of the USB should be 220-230mm from the mounting base. That's the "constant vertical."
In practice, it's a little tricky measuring the constant horizontal because the USB and grinder axle are on different levels. You can make up a plumb line to hang off the USB to make it easier. Use a piece of dental floss with a weight tied to the end or something along those lines.
Well that seems simple enough, however what if my grinder's axle height is different from the one Wootz used?
Quote from: darita on July 15, 2022, 08:47:27 PM
Well that seems simple enough, however what if my grinder's axle height is different from the one Wootz used?
"Constant vertical" needs to be from the top of the stand to the center of the axle. KG does this by measuring the top of the stand to the bench, then measuring from the center of the grinder axle to the bench, then subtracting that from the first measurement, so you end up with center of grinder axle to top of stand.
Quote from: cbwx34 on July 15, 2022, 08:33:24 PM
Quote from: 3D Anvil on July 15, 2022, 08:08:32 PM
In reality it's not that complicated. If you're using 10" wheels, the center axis of the USB should be 12.5cm from the center axis of the grinder's axle. That's what Wootz calls the "constant horizontal."
The top of the USB should be 220-230mm from the mounting base. That's the "constant vertical."
...
"Constant vertical" would be from the center of the grinder axle to the top of the stand (or whatever you measure to, to set the USB height).
(Again, not needed for Calcapp). ;)
Oh right, sorry for the confusion. I was just talking about the recommended mounting height of the bracket and mistakenly equated that with the constant vertical used in Wootz's software.