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In the Shop => Drill Bit Sharpening => Topic started by: Jan on January 06, 2017, 09:16:11 PM

Title: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: Jan on January 06, 2017, 09:16:11 PM
Tormek Drill Bit Sharpening Attachment DBS-22 remains on my wish list while the dull bits fill my drawer. So I have decided to make a simple jig for drill bit sharpening. As you surely know they are dozens videos on web concerning twist drill bit sharpening.

In the attached picture you can see that my drill bit jig consists of a pertinax plate which slides on the scissors jig base. An aluminium L profile is used as a guidance for drill bit orientation. The guidance profile shown in the picture is for the most common drill bit point angle of 118°. The lip clearance angle is set by tilting the base. I have used a lip clearance angle of 10°.

Originally I have planned to sharpen the drill bits with the basic cone geometry, where the two cutting lips meet and form a chisel edge. When I have learned this basic approach, I began to think about whether this simple drill bit jig would enable to ground 4-facet point also.  :-\

It turned out that with careful work it is well possible. First I have ground the primary facets using a clearance angle of 10°. Than I have tilted the base by another 10° and ground the secondary facets. So the clearance angle of the secondary facets is 20°.

I have tested the re-shaped drill bit in iron and can confirm that the 4-facet geometry works well. At first glance it is obvious that it performs better than a drill bit with the basic cone geometry and chisel edge.  :)

Jan
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: Dutchman on January 07, 2017, 11:54:46 AM
Great idea. Thanks!
The tilting makes the difference.
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: Jan on January 07, 2017, 01:22:39 PM
Yes, Ton, you are correct, the clearance of the cutting lips is crucial!  :)

The attached picture shows how simple is the setting of the clearance angle for the secondary facet to 20°. The 10° and 20° marks on the side of the stone are for a specific distance between the USB and the shaft. The alignment bar has a height equal to the drill bit radius.  ;)

Jan
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: RobinW on January 07, 2017, 02:00:40 PM
Jan

When sharpening say several drills, do you start creating grooves in the surface of the stone?

Behind my question is a previous subject I posted some months ago. I found that when sharpening gouges the surface of my stone ended up with grooves and ridges, which is a pain as most of my sharpening is flat blades (planes and chisels).

Also my immediate thought was to adapt your method and sharpen drills on the side of the stone. (I must admit it is years since I sharpened any drills and I just buy new as required. More effective use of my time.)
Robin
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: Jan on January 07, 2017, 05:28:58 PM
Good question, Robin.

My experience is limited to SG stone. Yes, I have observed a tendency for creating grooves and because of this I move the drill bit sideways and use the whole width of the stone. I often re-activate the grindstone.

The major factor influencing creation of grooves is steel hardness and grindability. I have found that drill bits with HRC up to 40 do not generate grooves. The tendency for creating grooves starts circa with HRC 50, which is the hardness of the majority of my drill bits.

The worst situation is with high quality tools made of cobalt high speed steel (HSS-E) because their HRC is more than 65. This cobalt steel is often used for countersinks.

Sharpening and re-shaping of drill bits is a quite good fun, plus you can remodel your broken or burned drill bits into unique tools designed for aluminum, plexiglass or composite with special point angles and cutting lip clearance. I see it as my small contribution to sustainability.   :)

Jan
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: Dutchman on January 08, 2017, 09:42:39 AM
Quote from: Jan on January 07, 2017, 01:22:39 PM
... The attached picture shows how simple is the setting of the clearance angle for the secondary facet to 20°. The 10° and 20° marks on the side of the stone are for a specific distance between the USB and the shaft. The alignment bar has a height equal to the drill bit radius.  ;)
Jan
Very clever !
I was already thinking how to solve that adjustment   ;D
I made a PDF-file with the description and attached it.
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: RichColvin on January 08, 2017, 01:30:06 PM
Jan,

I have the DBS Jig & find it a worthwhile investment.   But what intrigues me about your idea is for bits too large to fit in the DBS Jig (>22 mm).   Have you tried any that large ?

Kind regards,
Rich
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: Ken S on January 08, 2017, 02:58:53 PM
Jan,

You are the jigmaker. :)

Very clever.

Ken
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: Jan on January 08, 2017, 04:44:48 PM
Tony and Ken, thanks for your appreciation!  :)

Rich, my larges drill bits are about 15 mm, but I did sharpen them yet.

From geometrical point of view there are no limits to the drill bit diameter. If you use my method to set clearance angles please keep in mind that the height of the aligning bar has to be equal to the drill bit radius.  ;)

Otherwise I would recommend the attached Tormek advice for thicker drill bits.

Jan
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: Ken S on January 08, 2017, 07:38:42 PM
Jan,

By reversing the direction of your angle bracket, your jig could be used with left handed drill bits. A left hand jig would also be useful for professional sharpeners already using the DBS-22 for day to day right handed bits.

Ken
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: Jan on January 08, 2017, 10:28:01 PM
Yes, you are correct, Ken, by reversing the direction of the drill guidance the jig can be used for left handed drill bits also. I cannot test it because I probably have no left handed drill bits in my collection.

Jan
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: Dutchman on January 09, 2017, 09:38:20 AM
Thanks  Jan ;D
I made an update of the attached PDF-file
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: Jan on January 09, 2017, 09:52:10 AM
Thank you also Tony, it is practical to have it stored together in one pdf file for future use.  :)

Jan
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: Jan on April 13, 2019, 06:19:32 PM
Recently I bought the fine diamond wheel DF-250 and started to use it for drill bit sharpening. My simple jig for drill sharpening remained unchanged, the only difference is that the scissors base I use as a platform is mounted to the side of the diamond wheel using multi base MB-100.

Setting the lip clearance angle is very simple. I prepared two angle setting blocks 11-14⁰ and 7-9⁰ for different drill bit diameters.

The diamond wheel allows to sharpen masonry drill bits also.

Jan
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: Ken S on April 13, 2019, 07:50:16 PM
Fascinating idea, Jan!

Ken
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: arnman on November 12, 2020, 10:39:19 PM
I know this is a very old topic, but I hope I can get some clarification on Jan's diagram that he posted on January 8, 2017.  His jig looks very clever, and I want to try it out.

Quote from: Jan on January 08, 2017, 04:44:48 PM

From geometrical point of view there are no limits to the drill bit diameter. If you use my method to set clearance angles please keep in mind that the height of the aligning bar has to be equal to the drill bit radius.  ;)

Jan

The 10 degree and 20 degree lines are shown on the edge of the stone.
a) I am interpreting Jan's explanation to mean that the top face of the bar would be at the same line as the top of the drill bit?
b) Does this mean that I would need a different bar thickness for each different diameter of drill bit?
b) Would the zero degree mark pass through the center of the drive shaft, or is zero degrees at the edge of drive shaft?
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: ega on November 14, 2020, 03:26:14 PM
Jan:

Congratulations on your excellent jig! By not buying the DBS-22 you have easily saved the cost of the MB-100.

I wonder whether you have in mind to develop a side-to-side sliding capability so as to address the stone grooving point and get faster grinding?
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: Ken S on November 14, 2020, 05:47:03 PM
Sadly, Jan passed away recently. He is much missed. Jan had the very rare combination of intelligence, a fine education, mechanical aptitude, and humanity. Some of his early posts were about restoring his grandfather's large mortise chisel. It was a true labor of love.

Jan's math ability was second to none. His inner mathematician recognized the error factor in my kenjig. His practical side also recognized that this error was insignificant. I was pleased and honored that my friend incorporated some of the kenjig aspects into his personal technique.

Jan gave us a head start in solving some of the problems we continue to encounter. It is up to us to carry the work forward.

Ken
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: ega on November 15, 2020, 03:38:10 PM
Ken S:

I regret not noticing the age of this thread when posting a question to Jan, a great loss to the forum.
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: Ken S on November 15, 2020, 03:55:07 PM
Ega,

Jan's passing is a loss to all of us. Through his posts and personal emails, I regarded him as a friend.

No regrets finding this aged thread. One of the strengths of this forum is being able to appreciate and build upon older threads. I often consult older threads. I miss some of my old friends who contributed so much and am grateful that this expertise is still accessible.

Ken
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: arnman on November 15, 2020, 06:00:06 PM
I was the one that brought the old thread back up to the top.  I am very sorry to hear about Jan.  He was very helpful in helping me to get up and running using the Dutchman formulas for knife sharpening.

I will do some experimenting with his simple drill bit jig to see if I can get satisfactory results.
Title: Re: Simple jig for drill bit sharpening
Post by: Ken S on November 16, 2020, 04:09:50 AM
Having known Jan, I would be very surprised if his drill bit jig didn't work very well.
Jan was a good guy.
Ken