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Title: Convex Edges
Post by: brute on December 22, 2020, 01:41:27 PM
I have a question, has any one come up with a jig or a devise to grind convex edges, with a Tormek?
Title: Re: Convex Edges
Post by: Ken S on December 23, 2020, 10:14:15 AM
I would use the slack belt part of the belt on a belt grinder for convex edges.

That stated, the "hollow grinding" issue with a large Tormek wheel is overblown. The hollow ground, concave edge mindset goes back to when most grinders had six inch diameter wheels.

Ken
Title: Re: Convex Edges
Post by: John_B on December 23, 2020, 04:16:46 PM
Another issue I see is that illustrations are often not to scale so that the edge geometry can be easily seen in the viewer's mind.
Title: Re: Convex Edges
Post by: jeffs55 on December 23, 2020, 09:22:51 PM
When you use anything to grind with you are going to produce a negative image of the device you are using. So if you are using a round wheel, the negative would be a concave image. You have to do what Ken said but in reality the slight concavity of the edge you are producing is unlikely to ever cause a problem. I get your drift though.
Title: Re: Convex Edges
Post by: Ken S on December 23, 2020, 10:36:16 PM
I sharpened one of my "sharpening chisels" with my T7/8 and another with my T4. Comparing the two visually (naked eye), any attempt to determine which was which would be at best a guess. Looking very carefully using a rule as a straightedge, I could see a faint hollow grind (I think.) I realize that in theory, these edges are both concave; however, if I cannot see it, I don't worry about it.

Ken
Title: Re: Convex Edges
Post by: jeffs55 on December 23, 2020, 11:22:56 PM
You are right Ken. That is sort of what I say when I am putting up one of our yard greetings. Regarding straight lines as in a line of letters spelling out Happy Birthday. I make it straight to my naked eye and say to myself that if I can't see it, no one else can so it is straight!
Title: Re: Convex Edges
Post by: Ken S on December 24, 2020, 12:56:29 AM
Great comment, Jeff!

Ken
Title: Re: Convex Edges
Post by: kwakster on December 24, 2020, 08:43:12 AM
One would need an ovalized stone to do convex edges on a Tormek.
The mock-up in the pics shows how this would work.

(https://i.postimg.cc/sMrK04j5/Convex-sharpening-stone-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sMrK04j5)(https://i.postimg.cc/jD4vVn2m/Convex-sharpening-stone-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jD4vVn2m)



(Pics stolen from forum member Jan)
Title: Re: Convex Edges
Post by: RichColvin on December 24, 2020, 08:10:01 PM
Carl,


I have seen two cases where convex edges are desirable.
To do this on a Tormek would require an approach like achieved using a platform, and rotating the handle as you go.  That is no different that sharpening on a flat stone though. 


So it is possible, but for most tools I question the value.  Having a repeatable edge has far more value.


Kind regards,
Rich
Title: Re: Convex Edges
Post by: brute on December 24, 2020, 08:48:36 PM
Hi Rich
I have 5 Bark River Knives, two of witch I have ground regular 15 degree edge. Bark River calls for convex edges on there knives. I know that there are hand sharpening systems that can grind convex edges. I was just wondering if Tormek guys had a devise or a process.