There has been some interest in the modified SVM-45 holder with adjustable offset that I made.
But before I can move forward on getting quotes for CNC'd parts I need to get some feel on the number of people that would be interested in purchasing one. Unfortunately I haven't any idea of final price so I don't want to throw out any numbers just yet.
If you think you may be interested in purchasing an Adjustable Offset SVM-45 please email me at Mpeppard246@gmail.com
This is just to gauge interest, you are not committing yourself to purchase (final price will be a big factor)
Also I know a lot of people always use the Pin Pivot Collar on their holders so I am thinking of offering the option of not having the shaft threaded for the handle since some don't use the screw on handle-stop anymore.
RickKrung a long time forum member and also the inventor of the Pin Pivot Collar is helping me out big time on getting parts made. Rick's help should greatly increase the chances moving forward with this due to his previous production experiences.
Definitely interested.
Excellent opportunity ...... INTERESTED ;D
Quote from: MPeppard on April 16, 2019, 03:16:59 AM
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RickKrung a long time forum member and also the inventor of the Pin Pivot Collar is helping me out big time on getting parts made. Rick's help should greatly increase the chances moving forward with this due to his previous production experiences.
I am excited to be helping Mike with this. I will be helping with getting the design ready for production and acting as the go-between for Mike and the CNC shop, should it get to that point. I have used this CNC shop for two runs of a tool that I make for making a part of fly rods and for helping someone else with getting their ideas into production. If I were to have some Pin Pivot Collars (PPC) made, this is the shop I would use. They are in very high demand and usually way backed up, but because I am a returning customer, I get a place a little further up the line that simply the latest job to roll in.
I encourage anyone who may have some interest to contact Mike at the email address he provided above.
Rick
I have already communicated to Mike my desire to be included with the purchasers list. With Rick
and Mike we have quite a team!
Ken
Michael's and Rick's effort to make the Adjustable Offset Knife Jig available for others is much appreciated and commendable.
Count us in please.
I would be interested.
I also have emailed my interest and look forward to future development
I support this kind of effort, even with the full realization that it may be one of the middle evolutionary steps. I thought the 185 gouge jig was marvelous. It was, however, the much improved 186 model is even better. I would welcome a 187, although I am quite satisfied with the 186.
In my opinion, some of the Tormek jigs outshine the others at this point. New and improved jigs and accessories are added every year. I would place the present Tormek knife jigs in the category of expecting improvements which have not arrived. Good, but with room to grow. We are seeing numerous forum based improvements. That is exciting!
Ken
I would be interested in one of the jigs.
I would be interested!
I will definitely want one of these if it makes it to production. But I am wondering, does this have advantages over self-centring jaws, or has it been designed because no satisfactory design for self-centring jaws has emerged?
Gord
Quote from: GKC on May 05, 2019, 06:25:33 PM
I will definitely want one of these if it makes it to production. But I am wondering, does this have advantages over self-centring jaws, or has it been designed because no satisfactory design for self-centring jaws has emerged?
Gord
We see quite many knives produced with the edge slightly off the blade center.
This adjustable offset jig can center them better than a self-centering knife jig, hypothetically at least.
I mean, even if we had a self-centering jig for Tormek, this offset jig would still be of use for grinding some high-end knives to get symmetrical bevels of even height.
However, the right centering is not only about nice bevels, it is the key to better sharpness. For me it is an established fact that when the edge is not centered in the jig we cannot get it the same sharp as when it is centered. I've offered some explanation here >> (https://www.australianbladeforums.com/vb4/knife-grinders/37166-bevel-symmetry-sharpness.html) , but no matter how you explain it, it is for fact.
By accuracy of centering we can range the knife jig solutions as follows, starting from the least accurate:
Tormek stock knife jig
Our set of knife jigs with milled offset
Some self-centering jig
Michael Peppard's adjustable offset jig
...
I would be very interested in one of these jigs also.
Email sent.... I am interested also.
Interesting, looks like an expanding dovetail.. Cool! I'd be interested.. I also work with several Cnc shops..if I can help.
This is exciting! I look forward to seeing how it progresses. :D
Ken,
this is perhaps off topic :)
Van,
You are correct. I inadvertently posted that post in this topic. I thought I removed it. It is now removed. Thanks for the heads up.
Ken
Quote from: Ken S on May 17, 2019, 05:34:11 PM
Van,
You are correct. I inadvertently posted that post in this topic. I thought I removed it. It is now removed. Thanks for the heads up.
Ken
Imagine Ken,
mine was just a joke. I knew it was an oversight.
They leave mine! :)
A hug
Van,
Your joke is the kind of humor I like on the forum, benign. :)
Ken
I'm interested as well. Will send e-mail in the morning as it's 12:30am in Hawaii and I'm going to bed 8)
I'd be interested in hearing more.
Good morning,
we have news? on the feasibility of the new adjustable SVM-45.
Greetings
I am very interested and I have sent an email.
Thanks
Mat
Quote from: MPeppard on April 16, 2019, 03:16:59 AM
There has been some interest in the modified SVM-45 holder with adjustable offset that I made.
But before I can move forward on getting quotes for CNC'd parts I need to get some feel on the number of people that would be interested in purchasing one. Unfortunately I haven't any idea of final price so I don't want to throw out any numbers just yet.
If you think you may be interested in purchasing an Adjustable Offset SVM-45 please email me at Mpeppard246@gmail.com
This is just to gauge interest, you are not committing yourself to purchase (final price will be a big factor)
Also I know a lot of people always use the Pin Pivot Collar on their holders so I am thinking of offering the option of not having the shaft threaded for the handle since some don't use the screw on handle-stop anymore.
RickKrung a long time forum member and also the inventor of the Pin Pivot Collar is helping me out big time on getting parts made. Rick's help should greatly increase the chances moving forward with this due to his previous production experiences.
Howdy. Just wondering if there has been any traction on a production run of the adjustable jigs?
Second that. I'm very interested.
Hi,
I'm completely new here, but I'd be interested too.
A mail has been sent.
Cheers,
Martin
Quote from: MPeppard on April 16, 2019, 03:16:59 AM
There has been some interest in the modified SVM-45 holder with adjustable offset that I made.
But before I can move forward on getting quotes for CNC'd parts I need to get some feel on the number of people that would be interested in purchasing one. Unfortunately I haven't any idea of final price so I don't want to throw out any numbers just yet.
If you think you may be interested in purchasing an Adjustable Offset SVM-45 please email me at Mpeppard246@gmail.com
This is just to gauge interest, you are not committing yourself to purchase (final price will be a big factor)
Also I know a lot of people always use the Pin Pivot Collar on their holders so I am thinking of offering the option of not having the shaft threaded for the handle since some don't use the screw on handle-stop anymore.
RickKrung a long time forum member and also the inventor of the Pin Pivot Collar is helping me out big time on getting parts made. Rick's help should greatly increase the chances moving forward with this due to his previous production experiences.
Where are you on this?
I would love one to :D
Unfortunately we have no news.
Surely the friend was unable to proceed with the realization. Although there was considerable interest in it.
I'm sorry there hasn't been any word on this. The short of it is that production costs were too high to make it feasible. Interest was about 40% of the quantity that had the lowest per unit quote price. Neither Mike or I have the kind of cash to front for it and have hanging out there, even if the return were more attractive. So, for the foreseeable future, the project is dead.
Rick
Quote from: RickKrung on March 20, 2020, 04:32:25 AM
I'm sorry there hasn't been any word on this. The short of it is that production costs were too high to make it feasible. Interest was about 40% of the quantity that had the lowest per unit quote price. Neither Mike or I have the kind of cash to front for it and have hanging out there, even if the return were more attractive. So, for the foreseeable future, the project is dead.
Rick
Hi Rick,
Plese send me some info on this, I might be able to fund this, but I need some more info on price and totalt funds needed.
I love the idea and I think it's sad that it wont be made just because of the lack of funds :)
Best Regards
Jon
Quote from: Fluehue on March 21, 2020, 09:01:28 AM
Quote from: RickKrung on March 20, 2020, 04:32:25 AM
I'm sorry there hasn't been any word on this. The short of it is that production costs were too high to make it feasible. Interest was about 40% of the quantity that had the lowest per unit quote price. Neither Mike or I have the kind of cash to front for it and have hanging out there, even if the return were more attractive. So, for the foreseeable future, the project is dead.
Rick
Hi Rick
Plese send me some info on this, I might be able to fund this, but I need some more info on price and totalt funds needed.
I love the idea and I think it's sad that it wont be made just because of the lack of funds :)
Best Regards
Jon
Good evening,
any significant NEWS?
I am interested.
Thanks
There have been no further developments. Until something does happen, this matter is closed.
Sorry,
Rick
Great idea.
Thanks for the rapid response
I like the concept describe here, however I think that the jig centering bushing from JVH (//forum.tormek.com/index.php?topic=3918.msg26586#msg26586 (https://www.tormek.com//forum.tormek.com/index.php?topic=3918.msg26586#msg26586)) do nearly the same thing and is simpler to do. I plan to do one for me soon to try it.
The thing with this eccentric is that it is probably not easy to set up. It needs to be done by successive trials.
I do think that a good solution could be to design a new plastic holder which incorporates the eccentric and an angular graduation (see my drawing). This could be printed with a 3D printer. This solution could be very accurate and cheap. I don't have any experience in 3D printing but I am sure it could work. If someone wants to work on it, I would be happy to contribute and to describe more in details my idea.
The shape of the eccentric is already available in my spreadsheet. You can find it there : //forum.tormek.com/index.php?topic=4326.0 (https://www.tormek.com//forum.tormek.com/index.php?topic=4326.0). I could easily add the calculation required to set up accurately the eccentric based on the knife thickness and the knife tapered shape.
Gilles
Quote from: Gilles on May 20, 2020, 08:39:08 PM
...snip... If someone wants to work on it, I would be happy to contribute and to describe more in details my idea.
The shape of the eccentric is already available in my spreadsheet. You can find it there : //forum.tormek.com/index.php?topic=4326.0 (https://www.tormek.com//forum.tormek.com/index.php?topic=4326.0). I could easily add the calculation required to set up accurately the eccentric based on the knife thickness and the knife tapered shape.
Gilles
I suggest you either: 1) start a new post/thread with these offers, or 2) append these offers to the posts/threads related to the eccentric bushing.
Otherwise, they may get lost here and/or just not seen by enough who may be interested. Plus, I think it deserves it's own place in the cronology. This thread is essentially dead.
Rick
It could be "the egg of Columbus" excellent idea.
I hope that the most experienced and qualified friends can make their valuable contribution to definitively solve this problem.
Apologies for dragging up an old thread. I'm just having trouble working out how the prototype on the first page works? I can see the two parts are joined by a dovetail but how does the bolt either adjust or secure them?
Hey Michael, I understand that this project won't be going ahead. Is there any chance I could see or get hold of the design just to make my own version on a manual mill? I understand if this is not possible. But I'd be keen to make something similar without having to go through all the trial and error process.
Cheers Mark
I believe that jigs, especially knife jigs, should be as simple as possible. Having an adjustable SVM-45 just seems too complicated to me. Using Wootz' recommendations as a guide, the majority of my kitchen knives fall within the acceptable thickness range of the unaltered SVM-45. A couple of my thicker chef knives are slightly thicker than that range, as is my Mora Garberg. However; these all fall within the range of my SVM-45 with the Wootz recommended .5mm milled area. For the odd knife, which I do not presently own or plan to own, I also have an SVM-45 milled to 1.0 mm and a KJ-45.
It seems to me that my unmodified SVM-45 will cover most of my needs, with an assist from the .5mm milled SVM-45 and KJ -45 when needed. Am I missing something?
Ken
PS I also have a set of feeler gages modified by the same machinist if I should feel the need for tighter precision.
Quote from: Ken S on June 23, 2024, 03:19:27 PMI believe that jigs, especially knife jigs, should be as simple as possible. Having an adjustable SVM-45 just seems too complicated to me.
Mike's design was brilliant and I'm really sorry it never made it into production. I do agree, in one respect, that it was too complicated, but only in regard as reflected in the cost of production.
Quote from: Ken S on June 23, 2024, 03:19:27 PMUsing Wootz' recommendations as a guide, the majority of my kitchen knives fall within the acceptable thickness range of the unaltered SVM-45. A couple of my thicker chef knives are slightly thicker than that range, as is my Mora Garberg. However; these all fall within the range of my SVM-45 with the Wootz recommended .5mm milled area. For the odd knife, which I do not presently own or plan to own, I also have an SVM-45 milled to 1.0 mm and a KJ-45.
It seems to me that my unmodified SVM-45 will cover most of my needs, with an assist from the .5mm milled SVM-45 and KJ -45 when needed. Am I missing something?
Ken
PS I also have a set of feeler gages modified by the same machinist if I should feel the need for tighter precision.
That would be me. I also think Wootz's design for modifying the SVM jigs and use of shims was brilliant. I did this to a couple of my own SVMs and did the ones for Ken and modified the set of feeler gauges for him. I have never tried using the modified jigs without the shims, but feel they are simple enough to use that it is a shame to not. A standard feeler gauge set is modified by shortening to be only slightly widher than the SVM-45 jig. Standard width feeler gauges work fine on the SVM-140 jig (have not modfied the -140). The table of shims per is shown below.
Back when Wootz's modifications were first introduced, some were interested in having me do the modifications. I wasn't able to do them at that time, but have considered it feasible more recently... ...at least until I sold my house last week and am in a crash program of moving my household and workshop. Once things settle down and get my shop back in operation, I could considered it again.
Rick
SVM 45 Knife Jig Offsets Shims 03-12-23.JPG