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In the Shop => Hand Tool Woodworking => Topic started by: larry7293 on April 21, 2013, 03:09:28 AM

Title: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: larry7293 on April 21, 2013, 03:09:28 AM
how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: RobinW on April 23, 2013, 12:58:07 PM
My thought is, depending on the width of the plane iron, whether the plane iron could be held at the desired angle in the square edge jig SE76, with the angle by a protractor or bevel gauge. So although the plane iron is skewed in the SE76 jig, its cutting edge is horizontal where it meets the wheel. Also use a felt marker to colour the area to be ground, and check this is being ground parallel to the edge.

I think the big issue with this method is the width of the plane iron and if enough skew angle can be made inside the jig.

Do you have any sizes or photos of the plane iron?

Alternatively try one of Herman's HK50 jigs.
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2013, 02:42:57 PM
No I think one of the turning jigs does it. From memory the SVS-50 multi jig has an open and closed seat, with i think its the closed seat you can set a skew angle to the tool. But I might be wrong off the top of my head. Jeff will know instantly.

I think once you've set the skew angle you then just place the Svs-50 over the US as it has a shoulder and grind away as it presents the edge at the skewed angle.

I only use it with the open seat to grind roughing gouges and parting tools so have never used the closed seat

Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: Jeff Farris on April 23, 2013, 11:33:36 PM
Both Robin and Rob are on the right track, though I prefer skewing the iron in the SE-76 to using the SVS-50. It's a bit more familiar when sharpening that type tool, plus, unless you're a turner, you might not have the SVS-50.
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: larry7293 on April 23, 2013, 11:58:38 PM
Thanks for the input.  The blade is 1 1/2 inches wide.  I think using the  square edge jig is probably my best bet.  I had thought about using a sharpie and drawing a horizontal line across the stone and lining the cutting edge up to it while in the square edge jig. 
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2013, 12:14:26 AM
Good point. You wouldn't have it unless you're a turner but the se76 is bundled now isn't it.
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: Herman Trivilino on April 24, 2013, 01:35:10 AM
Quote from: larry7293 on April 23, 2013, 11:58:38 PM
I had thought about using a sharpie and drawing a horizontal line across the stone and lining the cutting edge up to it while in the square edge jig.

Make sure the grindstone is true if you do it that way.
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: Jeff Farris on April 24, 2013, 05:55:07 AM
Quote from: larry7293 on April 23, 2013, 11:58:38 PM
Thanks for the input.  The blade is 1 1/2 inches wide.  I think using the  square edge jig is probably my best bet.  I had thought about using a sharpie and drawing a horizontal line across the stone and lining the cutting edge up to it while in the square edge jig.

Or...pull the Universal Support out so that the edge of the blade is nearly perpendicular, put a light on one side and observe the gap between the edge and the grindstone.
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: RobinW on April 25, 2013, 12:53:47 AM
The following illustrate my skew blade (made from that well known blade material - cardboard) using a 1.5" wide blade with 30 degree slope for the blade edge, and my interpretation on how it could be sharpened.

One thing on which to take care, is the amount of horizontal travel - it is more one way than the other depending on whether the blade is angled to the left or right. So do use the end stop on the universal support bar, otherwise it is liable to fall off the wheel and cause an accident.

Skew 1 (http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r692/ChiselSharp/Skew1_zpsac931b9c.jpg)

Skew 2 (http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r692/ChiselSharp/Skew2_zpsfbd0f80f.jpg)

Skew 3(http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r692/ChiselSharp/Skew1_zpsac931b9c.jpg)
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: Herman Trivilino on April 25, 2013, 03:02:38 AM
Robin, I can't see the pictures.
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2013, 09:19:51 AM
Me neither
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2013, 09:21:06 AM
Herman......just a quick question, why origin: Big Bang in your signature?
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: RobinW on April 25, 2013, 11:41:30 AM
just one of life's little mysteries! It was ok when I did preview, and then hit the Post button. This morning I couldn't see them either, but had to go out. I'm just back in, and what do I see? Three pictures. And that's before I do anything! So I won't do anything as I might screw it up again!
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2013, 06:00:20 PM
I had that happen....I put it down to the Internet fairies!
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: larry7293 on April 25, 2013, 11:26:56 PM
I cannot see the pictures either.
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: RobinW on April 26, 2013, 12:05:59 AM
They've disappeared again!

I've just been and opened up the Dropbox folder in which they are stored and then shut down and came back here and they're showing again. I have no clue why an online shared link is not there all the time.

Just been back in to original post and changed source of photos to Photobucket - see if that performs better.
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: larry7293 on April 26, 2013, 12:24:08 AM
The pictures are visible now.  Thanks
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: Herman Trivilino on April 26, 2013, 03:17:57 AM
Rob, back in the old days we used to communicate in forums like this using modems and phone lines.  It started before the internet and the world wide web, and it was called FidoNet.  Everyone had an origin line at the bottom of their messages, and by default it was your FidoNet network address.  A friend of mine in the physics echo had his point node rigged up so that his address read "Big Bang" as his origin, I thought it was cool, so after FidoNet faded away I stole it from him.

The big bang is where the matter that we're all made of originated.
Title: Re: how to sharpen skewed plane irons
Post by: Rob on April 26, 2013, 08:46:58 AM
Ha, excellent Herman :-)