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Title: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Herman Trivilino on March 20, 2013, 03:54:37 AM
Anything unusual going to happen to the grindstone when grinding aluminum?  I expected it to go faster because the aluminum is so soft.  I'm thinking the aluminum particles are clogging up the grindstone.
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: ionut on March 20, 2013, 08:08:20 PM
Hi Herman,

I would keep aluminum away from the Tormek stone, aluminum would clog everything and if you clog the Tormek stone, the grader will get clogged as well if you try to clean the stone with it.. I saw in one of the pictures you have a dry grinder not far from your Tormek, I would use that or if it is not too much grinding I would use a file.

Ionut
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Ken S on March 21, 2013, 12:24:42 AM
"Gummy" comes to mind with grinding or machining aluminum.  I second Ionut's comments.  While doing my unsuccessful remodeling on my Torlock plate, I needed to file down the flat surface with the threaded hole for the holding screw.  I used a multicut file, which made quick and easy work of it. my belt grinder also worked very well.  Given the choice, I can easily use a file card on the file, and belts are inexpensive compared to Tormek wheels.

Pat Warner has written a very good article on routing aluminum which is available on his website (patwarner.com) for a small fee.  Any woodworker who uses a router should investigate Pat's website and books.  He's the best.

Ken
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Herman Trivilino on March 21, 2013, 01:55:25 AM
Well, it's too late ...

I was making a plate out of aluminum to sit atop my homemade jig.  I used the Tormek to put the bevel on it.  For all other operations I did use the dry grinder and a file.

Now my grindstone, and I guess the rough side of the stone grader, have aluminum embedded in them.  I can get the aluminum out of the grindstone with a light truing pass.  I hope ...
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: ionut on March 21, 2013, 02:04:36 AM
Yes Herman, you should be able to clean the stone by truing it with the diamond tool. For the grader try a stiff steel wire brush or any stiff wire brush you have access to, it should be cleaning it but you may have to work for a while depending on how much aluminum you have there. I use a wire brush to clean my files and works pretty well.
If that doesn't work for the grader, I never tried this but you may try to rub it on a not very rough concrete surface that would not mint to end with grinding marks, until it gets cleaned and then use the brush to clean it from cement and sand  particles left by the concrete.

Ionut
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Herman Trivilino on March 21, 2013, 02:35:23 AM
I'll try all of the above!  Thanks.
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: ionut on March 21, 2013, 02:51:18 AM
Be careful with the concrete though it will grind your grader and flatten it. If your grader took the wheel shape and you rely on it, then maybe the concrete stuf is not the best idea.

Ionut
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Herman Trivilino on March 21, 2013, 03:09:21 AM
The rough side of the stone grader isn't curved, so that won't be a problem.  I'll play it safe, though.  Start with the wire brush and move up to the concrete if it looks like it needs it. 
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Ken S on March 21, 2013, 03:13:15 AM
Herman,

  I hope you can restore your grading stone.  Whether you can or not, like my new collection of Torlock jigs in various sizes, we have learned something from our thoughts put into action.  Tuition for Tormek Design 101, if you will.  I believe we have something of value to show for our work.  We have pushed back the limitations of our skill level a little bit.  Enough little bits, and pretty soon, it starts to add up!

Ken
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Herman Trivilino on March 21, 2013, 03:22:43 AM
I have no doubt, Ken, that I'll be able to restore that stone grader.  Fortunately, I never touched the fine side to the grindstone.  Thanks for the sentiments.
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Herman Trivilino on March 21, 2013, 04:02:52 AM
I just trued the grindstone, didn't take much.  Clamped a wire brush in the vise and rubbed the stone grader on it.  Then passed an old wood rasp over it.  Then some more of the wire brush.

I'm back in business.

I discovered a good use for the diamond t-bar wheel dresser.  I have the original truing tool that you move by hand across the surface of the grindstone.  It leaves ridges, as probably the newer truing tool does, also.  The t-bar is good at knocking them off.  Then I made a few final passes with the truing tool.  Applied the rough side of the stone grader and ... wait for it ... Bob's your uncle!
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Rob on March 21, 2013, 09:12:30 AM
Good old Bob......he has an increasing army of nephews!

Looks like you're sorted now, I was going to suggest a few light passes with an angle grinder on the grader
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Ken S on March 21, 2013, 10:51:01 AM
"Two nations separated by a common language"

Rob, would you please translate "Bob's your uncle" into "American" for me.

Thanks,

Ken
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: grepper on March 21, 2013, 12:21:47 PM
Being in the US, I'd never heard the expression when I first saw it one of Rob's posts.  I rather knew from context what it meant, and a quick Google of it also provided it's possible varied and interesting origins.  I thought it was catchy, so, just for grins, I started sprinkling it into my conversation.  A friend heard me say it and grinned.  I was gobsmacked!  I asked if he had heard it before, and he replied in the affirmative, saying the he heard it when he was in New Zealand.

Now he uses it too.  And Herman.  And Jeff.   And me.  I checked www.cdc.gov for distribution maps, but as yet nothing.  But... Thanks to Rob... IT is spreading. IT is growing.  IT may be unstopable! And now, internationally. :)
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Rob on March 21, 2013, 12:23:11 PM
There it is....done

Hey presto

The closest Americanism I can think of is "boom". As in two passes on the wheel and "boom" it's done
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Herman Trivilino on March 21, 2013, 01:16:24 PM
Legendary?
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Rob on March 21, 2013, 01:27:42 PM
Legendary....I like that one :/)
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Herman Trivilino on March 21, 2013, 05:44:57 PM
I stole it!
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: ionut on March 21, 2013, 05:48:14 PM
Herman, I understand you are aluminumizing your small knife jig. I know is too late but another option maybe better one would be to use UHMW polyethylene to build the platform. It is easily workable, does not clog grind stones if you plan use grind it, it is impervious to water and the best part as I see it is the fact that is very low friction, the blades would slide very easily on it. I believe a 3/8" thickness would provide enough rigidity but it can be even thicker.

All the best,
Ionut
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Herman Trivilino on March 21, 2013, 06:11:35 PM
That sounds like a good idea.  I'm going to respond back in the same thread where this jig is being discussed.  That'll make things easier for someone who comes along later and wants to read this story.
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Ken S on March 21, 2013, 08:48:26 PM
Herman, home shop machinists purchase small quantities of metal and plastics.  A copy of Home Shop Machinist magazine should have adds for these places.

Ken
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Rob on March 21, 2013, 09:20:57 PM
Another way could be to just telephone an aircraft manufacturer and ask. That might sound outrageous but my brother in law lives next door to a company that manufactures pc cabinets for aircraft ( out of aluminium)

He once needed a small piece fir something and literally wandered into reception.  They called engineering and a guy came up with a piece for him...no charge
Title: Re: Grinding Aluminum on the Tormek
Post by: Don Green on March 29, 2013, 11:34:32 PM
Too Late!  Already made one out of "lexan"

Don G