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Title: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2013, 05:49:26 PM
Please excuse my indulgence. Photobucket has various different config options for posting pics directly up into threads. I'm just testing which works. All those wishing to post pics should benefit

First option is what pb call Direct link

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/IMG_5895_zps84b0cedc.jpg)]
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2013, 05:51:45 PM
Wow that's so big you have to tap and scroll left and right, next option coming up

This ones called HTML code

(http://<a%20href="http://s1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/?action-view&current=2ed92f423207048b214eb0ab1849b8d1_zps1e41364e.jpg"%20target="_blank"><img%20src="http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/2ed92f423207048b214eb0ab1849b8d1_zps1e41364e.jpg"%20border="0"%20alt="Photobucket%20Pictures,%20Images%20and%20Photos"%20/></a>)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2013, 05:53:13 PM
So HTML code yielded nothing at all

Next option is called img code

(http://[img]http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/2ed92f423207048b214eb0ab1849b8d1_zps1e41364e.jpg)[/img]
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2013, 05:54:20 PM
Again nothing

Next option is called img thumb

(http://[url=http://s1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/?action-view&current=2ed92f423207048b214eb0ab1849b8d1_zps1e41364e.jpg%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/th_2ed92f423207048b214eb0ab1849b8d1_zps1e41364e.jpg)[/URL][/img]
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2013, 05:55:49 PM
Again nothing

Last option is called email and im

(http://s1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/?action-view&current=2ed92f423207048b214eb0ab1849b8d1_zps1e41364e.jpg)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2013, 06:02:50 PM
So it appears only the direct link option in photobucket pastes a picky direct to a thread

I have no idea why the size is so big?  This was snapped with an ipad so the cameras rubbish and I would have expected a much smaller rendition

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/a8451131-183b-482d-833b-9d371f1ce898_zps8caf383e.jpg)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2013, 06:24:37 PM
mm Ive just realised the screen scrolling thing is only due to the screen size of the ipad.  Im now viewing this on my laptop which of course has a much wider screen and its fine ie no scroll needed.  It must be the ipad truncating the size to fit on its smaller screen.

This upload is with a decent camera and not the ipad direct via pb website and not using the app on the ipad to see if it makes any difference, here goes

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/IMG_5902_zps5470bfb0.jpg)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2013, 06:30:17 PM
that seems better....no orientation problems doing it from their website.  So use the direct link option from the 5 different link options in photobucket if you want to post a pic.  An account with Photobucket is of course free of charge...I signed up before starting this experiment
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Herman Trivilino on March 02, 2013, 06:49:15 PM
Rob, the reason the pictures are so big is because you made them so.  The higher the resolution the bigger the picture.  You have two option.  Reduce the size by trimming unwanted stuff from the edges of the picture.  The other option is to reduce the resolution.

You can do this with any photo editing software.  As I said, I like Paint.  To reduce the resolution you just reduce the size.
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2013, 06:56:35 PM
thanks Herman I saw that.  Thats why I tested with the digital SLR and the ipad.  I still dont quite understand it though, my digital SLR tales multi mega pixels whereas the ipad camera is rubbish....yet via photobucket they both are rendering the same size here.  Their resolutions are poles apart.

Ill try taking some deliberately low res pics with my DSLR and then post them....but not now....barn dance to go to with the kids....deep joy!
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: grepper on March 02, 2013, 07:01:32 PM
The forum apparently simply displays the image at it's original size.  So, let's say you have a camera that takes 3 MB pictures.  On Windows at least, right click on the picture and select Properties.  There it will display the "dimensions" of the image.

The computer screen displays is just a bunch of dots, sort of like a newspaper has lots of dots of ink.  The dots on the computer screen are called pixels (picture elements).

So, if you multiply the width x height of an image, let's say it's 2048x1536=3145728 or a 3MB picture.

So, let's say that your computer display is 800x600 (common for old notebooks).  That's 800 pixels across by 600 pixels high.  If you then display a picture that is 2048 across and 1536 high, it's not going to fit on the screen.  Hence, scroll bars are displayed.

If you display an image the 400x300 on your 800x600 screen, it's going to go 1/2 across the screen and 1/2 way down.

Most computer screens now are at least 1024x768 of even 2x, 3x, 4x that big.  But... to be easily displayed, just keep your images small (in dimension).  Generally 400x200 or smaller.

You can download free image editing software that can "scale" images and then save them their new smaller size.  One example is PhotoScape: http://www.photoscape.org/ps/main/index.php

Most image editing software will handle scaling both the height/width automatically.  Possibly with an option Keep Image Aspect Ratio, or something.  Or allow you to select 1/3, 1/2 size etc.  Or let you set the height and it will automatically calculate the width.  The idea is that you must reduce/enlarge the height/width equally or you will end up with a rubber band effect. 

The higher the resolution of the image (heightxwidth), the larger the image dimensions.

Does that help?  If not, let me know.  I happen to know all about this stuff.

Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2013, 07:08:03 PM
no worries mark.  thanks for that.  I use photoshop so wont have any problems scaling.  gotta dash now. Later all
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2013, 07:18:17 PM
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/turned%20pieces/IMG_5913_zps36ca6ccb.jpg)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2013, 07:19:09 PM
lol thats 1/3 size....might need to go a bit further.
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Herman Trivilino on March 02, 2013, 07:32:30 PM
Quote from: Rob on March 02, 2013, 06:56:35 PM
I still dont quite understand it though, my digital SLR tales multi mega pixels whereas the ipad camera is rubbish....yet via photobucket they both are rendering the same size here. 

Photobucket probably downsizes the high resolution pictures.
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: grepper on March 02, 2013, 08:21:38 PM
Herman,  Apparently correct:
http://support.photobucket.com/entries/21893042-Select-Upload-Options-sizes-

Rob, check the image file properties of both the ipad and the DSLR image files.  What are the dimensions?  This should give you an idea:

I scaled this picture to 317x157:

(http://content.screencast.com/users/bllllllorg/folders/Default/media/dc1c6125-55bf-4715-b0ff-95189f1a8016/small.png)

Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 03, 2013, 03:44:26 PM
Final experiment to calibrate the amount of reduction I need to configure photoshop to do...then I have my algorithm al set to go.

These two are 20% and 10% of original size respectively

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/turned%20pieces/resizebatch10_zps2cb8340b.jpg)

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/turned%20pieces/IMG_5889_zps71fe46de.jpg)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 03, 2013, 03:52:43 PM
This is 15% which Im hoping should be about right

My DSLR (which is a Canon EOS 20D) is 8Megapixels so a compression ratio of somewhere between 10 and 20% of the original image size seems to be about right a) get it on screen sensibly and b) not lose too much detail.

(//)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 03, 2013, 03:53:21 PM
Hang on....something went wrong there??
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 03, 2013, 04:05:13 PM
500 pixels adjustment made in photobucket

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/turned%20pieces/IMG_5905_zps140646ab.jpg)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 03, 2013, 04:40:33 PM
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/turned%20pieces/IMG_5903_zps6dd920de.jpg)

Right then....even better....modify the szie in photobuckets on board editor...then you dont have to mess about in photoshop etc.  Mind you Herman is using Paint which I tried also.  Personal preference for me now is Photobucket though because all the pics are in a library and I found that convenient.

Just choose 500 pixels as the horizontal count, it preserves the aspect ratio and this photo size is the result ie about perfect I reckon
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: grepper on March 03, 2013, 08:14:28 PM
These wood things that you guys make are really pretty!  Love the wood colors and grain!  I can see where it would become a really addictive hobby. 

If I were to start with gouging out a small bowl, is a couple of different size gouges all I would need?  (I'd like to have a lathe and turn burls, but... you know).

And, if the gouge got dull, I'd have something to sharpen again. :)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 03, 2013, 08:58:03 PM
Not sure we're on the same page with this Mark

All the pics I posted including the bowls were created using a lathe.  You certainly could turn a bowl using only one bowl gouge and no other tool at a push but as you progresed you might want other tools like a scraper and perhaps a 1/2" gouge for the outside and a 3/8" to hollow the inside.

But you cant do it without a lathe Im afraid.....its then wood carving. Well...you can do it...but you wouldnt have anything to plug in...
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 03, 2013, 08:59:55 PM
Ive also just noticed that like a total pratt Ive gone and deleted the pics from photobucket after I conducted those size tests....so of course the pics have vanished from the forum!!

Note to self......get new brain!
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 03, 2013, 09:03:16 PM
Huh??  Theyre back again??
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 03, 2013, 09:18:54 PM
here's a few  more Mark......
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 03, 2013, 09:38:04 PM
now Im really confused.  All of those pics were sized at 500 pixels width in PB....and yet theyve come out big again...weird
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: grepper on March 03, 2013, 10:00:31 PM
"Not sure we're on the same page with this Mark"

Um, Rob, I really don't even have a "page" that I'm starting from. :)  I'm totally clueless here.

Even to me, it's obvious when stuff is turned on a lathe.  I had just looked at that last pic, the one with the beautiful bowl, and thought that was very cool, and thought that I might play around by scratching something out of a little stump, or something.

I guess what I really want is a lathe!

Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 04, 2013, 12:00:05 AM
oh you do Mark....believe me once you start turning....there's no turning back (you see how I did that)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Herman Trivilino on March 04, 2013, 01:37:55 AM
I can't figure out how to put the actual photobucket photograph into my post.  All I can do with success is post the link to the photobucket photo.
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 04, 2013, 09:54:47 AM
when you choose the picture inside Photobucket....the links section on the right hand side has all the different options for the types of links (IM, email, img etc).

Well one of the options is called "direct link" its the second from top out of the four choices.

Thats the one you want.  Thats the one that pastes the photo directly into the post rather than a hyperlink to your library in photobucket

Took me all yesterday afternoon experimenting to work that out while my son was bashing me over the head with a balloon :-)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 04, 2013, 10:09:11 AM
This is it

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/turned%20pieces/IMG_5902_zps5470bfb0.jpg)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Herman Trivilino on March 04, 2013, 03:15:09 PM
IMG code accomplishes the same task!
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 04, 2013, 04:30:00 PM
It does?

When I experimented yesterday I tried each of the link types in turn.....the direct link was the only one that worked for my pc.....maybe its a config thing?
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Herman Trivilino on March 04, 2013, 05:57:44 PM
If you just click on the IMG code it'll automatically get copied to your clipboard.  Then you just paste it anywhere in your message.  Don't add the additional formatting codes.
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 04, 2013, 06:47:55 PM
thats how they all work Herman....you just choose the link type and click...it copies to the clipboard for pasting elsewhere.  When I repeated that exact procedure with each link type in turn, the only one which rendered the photo inside the post was the direct link option
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Herman Trivilino on March 04, 2013, 07:21:36 PM
Hmmm...  That's weird cuz it worked fine for me!
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 04, 2013, 07:26:58 PM
Must be a config thang....hey ho
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 04, 2013, 11:12:52 PM
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/turned%20pieces/resizebatch8_zpsef9555d2.jpg)

experiment with Hermans batch loader/resizer
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 04, 2013, 11:13:57 PM
well the size is OK...I selected multiple shots in photobucket though and its only posted one
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 04, 2013, 11:28:05 PM
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/turned%20pieces/resizebatch1_zpsa4727ef1.jpg)

If you go to user settings you can configure photobucket to display only the direct link codes and place them under each photo in the album...it makes choosing and then linking the correct code much simpler
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on March 27, 2013, 05:05:44 PM
Just as an adjunct.  Ive been organising my photobucket shots and it seems that even if you move pics into albums within photobucket it screws up the addrss in the link.  Thats why all the previous posts no longer contain pics...Ive moved them by tidying photobucket....how incredibly annoying!

Anyway...important safety tip for the future.....organise your photobucket albums before you post so the picture is in its final resting place before you link to it
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: RobinW on April 19, 2013, 06:38:20 PM
After trolling through all of the previous posts, is there a straightforward procedure on how to size and post a photograph?

Does it work with Dropbox, and if so can someone explain how to link it? (i've never used Photobucket.)

A nice drag and drop function into a post would save a lot of hassle judging by Rob's efforts above!
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Elden on April 19, 2013, 07:53:03 PM
I'm not acquainted with the use of Dropbox. With Photobucket  you do drag and drop into it. From there if you want them organized into certain folders, you create the folder named as you want to if you don't have it already. Simply move the picture(s) into the folder(s) you want them in. It is not necessary if you don't want to.
The pictures can be cropped or resized before or after being placed in a folder(s).

Updating my post.
Just looked again at Photobucket. The pictures can be uploaded into the folder you want them go into by simply selecting where you want them to go to. I'll have to remember that the next time I upload. That would save the moving step I mentioned above.
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: grepper on April 19, 2013, 08:23:29 PM
Not sure if this is exactly what you are asking, but if you keep the horizontal dimension of your images to 640 or less they will work well in the forum.  You can see an example of 640 horizontal here:
http://forum.tormek.com/index.php?topic=1624.0
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: RobinW on April 19, 2013, 08:31:35 PM
Thanks for the starting point information.

I have five photographs, each 2Mb jpeg, which I wish to post. Assuming I name them say P1, P2...P5, open a folder in Photobucket, drag and drop them into that folder, then how do I suitably re-size them to display here, and how do I call them up within the post?

*I see that grepper has just posted to make the horizontal 640 wide, so I assume that is a standard size facility within Photobucket, and the aspect ratio is maintained (or using the old screen value of 640 x 480).

I don't wish to appear completely dumb, (I am pretty computer literate even if it may not appear so on this forum), but I found no suitable help or search facility which details how to do this pretty basic function.

All help gratefully received.
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: grepper on April 19, 2013, 09:02:26 PM
What computer OS are you using?  Windows?  Mac?

Unless DropBox has some feature to resize images, (oddly they or another service just might), you will need to resize the image before you upload it to DropBox.

You can resize images in Paint or some other image editing program and there are free applications such as FastStone Image Resizer, http://www.faststone.org/FSResizerDetail.htm.

I think this forum is displaying images at 100% size, while PhotoBucket is scaling, or at least displaying a scaled version of the image.  So, it's not " a standard size facility within Photobucket", but rather that this forum software does not scale images for display so they show up in posts view at 100% original size.

Do you know how to see the properties of an image file on you computer?  That will show you the image dimensions.

I put a bunch of this info in another post. I'll try to hunt it down.

Is this answering your questions? :)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on April 19, 2013, 09:24:00 PM
Photobucket doesnt automatically scale the pics to a size thats appropriate for this forum.  There is however an edit function within photobuckets real estate.  I have to say its rubbish for any quantity but just fine for a one or two pics deal.

So if you have a big batch you want to store in PB for later posting here then do the sizing ops according to Grepper's last.  If you just have one or two then go into PB's library where your pics are and choose the edit command (right click on the pic for a short cut to it).  Choose resize once in the edit mode and select just the left hand box.  Put in an appropriate pixel count (400 works well) and the y axis will scale to preserve the aspect ratio.

Now hit apply and then hit save as original to overwrite your original (too large) pic.

Now the image is the correct size.  To post in the forum, find the link options and choose "direct link".  By doing so, PB will copy your image to the clipboard in a format that works in this forum.

Once done, come back here and begin writing your post, where you want the image choose the far laft icon from the 2nd row down....it will insert some code....you then place your cursor precisely in the middle of that code and paste the link from PB.  When you post the post (if you see what I mean) your image will appear where that code was.

like so:

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/turned%20pieces/IMG_5913_zps36ca6ccb.jpg)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on April 19, 2013, 09:45:12 PM
Another thing.....I went through this myself as I had never posted a pic in a forum prior to doing it here and yet I work in the computer industry and am very computer literate.

If you read through this series of posts there's an evolving set of experiments as many of us went through the whole photobucket and resizing thing together.  Herman volunteered some good reszing programs outside of PB and so did Grepper.  Theyre all worth looking at to see what works for you.

Where Ive ended up is all in photobucket because I never post more than one or two or three pics.  PB has the editor I discussed in the earlier post which allows you to resize and thats enough for a small number.  Its also incredibly slow and laborious and whoever programmed it should be shot from a cannon at the speed of light, preferably into an environment with no air!  But, as I say, OK for small numbers.  If you intend to post a lot, batch resize them in another app and then upload to PB ready sized to avoid the need to start injecting prozac into your eyeball (because you'll be so depressed) after the PB editor.  (Did I mention that editor is rubbish by the way)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Herman Trivilino on April 19, 2013, 09:50:23 PM
I open the picture in Paint, then reduce it to 40%, then drag and drop it into Photobucket.  Then I click on the link to copy it to clipboard, and finally paste the link into my post here in this forum.  There are other ways to do it, but I know of no way to drag and drop a photo into a forum post.
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: grepper on April 19, 2013, 11:36:06 PM
Hopefully this is helpful too:
http://forum.tormek.com/index.php?topic=1537.msg5626#msg5626
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: RobinW on April 19, 2013, 11:47:02 PM
I've finally cracked it! Thanks for all the pointers.

We go from one of life's basic issues - sharpening a piece of steel using a bit of stone - to the delights of whizzo technology with all its frustrations and perversions!

I normally use Photoshop Elements on a Mac. However when re-sizing photos you will experience a lesson in dimensions that you should only try if you have nothing else better to do with you life. Original image 2MB 3296 x 2472 (pixels). Using image re-size, and trying different percentages (rather that a choice of inches/cm/mm/points/picas/columns) to get a reduced image file, it was still too big when posted on this forum, even when using 10% of original. I think it is using density not pixels x pixels. I could go on!

However I then used iPhoto and Exporting a photo (it can also do it to a group of photos) and selecting Medium size, I have the answer! I still went through the tortuous Photobucket route. I think Tormek should get a straightforward drag and drop function with autosizing built into its forum's software.

Anyway I will now post the photos and suggestions under the post about Spokeshave Challenge.
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2013, 12:48:21 AM
The software itself that is used for this forum is nothing to do with Tormek.  Its a 3rd party product called simple machines forum. Whilst Tormek/Jeff chose it to host their content, they have no control or design authority over its functionality.  So unless SMF want drag n drop pics...it aint gunna happen Im afraid
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: RobinW on April 20, 2013, 01:30:58 AM
Thanks for the comments about the software. I have had a play and have found how to use Dropbox for a link ito a forum post which I'll use in future rather than Photobucket.

If anyone else wants to use Dropbox I'll post how to do it. Pictures still have to be re-sized first. The Export from iPhoto was dead easy. I would assume a pc with a Microsoft package would have the same facility. (I'm ever optimistic!)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: grepper on April 20, 2013, 02:11:31 AM
Don't make scaling an image too difficult.  All you have to do is scale both dimensions the same amount.  So if you scale by 1/2 horizontally, then scale by 1/2 the other too, etc.

Most image editing software allows you to scale one dimension and maintain aspect ratio, so it will automatically scale the other dimension for you. Surely, PhotoShop Elements can do that. It's some option in the menus or buttons somewhere.  You do have to remember to save the scaled image to a different file name and then upload that scaled image to DropBox.

It would be cool if the forum had attachments turned on, but that would require a lot more disk space than simply displaying images from another host.

Anyway, it looks like you have found your way. :)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2013, 10:34:24 AM
Quote from: RobinW on April 20, 2013, 01:30:58 AM
Thanks for the comments about the software. I have had a play and have found how to use Dropbox for a link ito a forum post which I'll use in future rather than Photobucket.

If anyone else wants to use Dropbox I'll post how to do it. Pictures still have to be re-sized first. The Export from iPhoto was dead easy. I would assume a pc with a Microsoft package would have the same facility. (I'm ever optimistic!)

I wouldnt mind a real quick post on the nuts n bolts of dropbox cos that would be my preferred hoster too as Ive had an account for ages. When I skimmed through the site I couldnt find where you could link pics? (Which is why I ended up with photobucket)

For Windows users wanting to resize images I recommend you read this entire thread from the start as we've already covered this as a group.  Summary...Paint works or any number of free downloads from t'inter-web!  Photoshop elements does have an image resize function that preserves the aspect ratio...it even has a batch processor that can do an entire computer directory at once....again, all the image processing packages handle this in one way or another.  You just have to goof around a bit to find the commands.
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: RobinW on April 20, 2013, 07:10:42 PM
Dropbox - an Idiot's Guide (Don't take offence - it's an idiot writing it)

Dropbox for those who are unfamiliar with it, is an online storage facility. It is free for a certain amount of space (GB) and there are no annoying adverts. You can store all kinds of files - not just photos. I use it as a backup facility for my Mac and I use it to transfer/share files with other eg photos; videos; technical drawings and large documents eg 250MB. I use it more than attaching files to an email as the email system cannot handle the file sizes and there is no problem with overloading other peoples' inboxes. (email software also adds about 30% more to attached file size so that it can handle it.) Dropbox upload and download I find quicker than the email system.

To upload files you need to register and download a small piece of software. It was all pretty straightforward and didn't want my life history or inside leg measurement.

When registered, go to the site and log in. My Mac is permanently logged in and I have a small icon in the toolbar, so I just launch from there.

When in your account you can create a new folder, say Tools, and then drag and drop the files you want to share with others, and just let it upload to the Tools folder. It shows the progress.

When the files are uploaded you have a choice on how to share them.

If I wanted to share the contents of the Tools folder with someone who is not a Dropbox user, I can share a 'link'. Highlight the Tools folder and a toolbar comes up and there is a 'Share Link' option. Selecting this option brings up a box where you then insert the email address of the person(s) with whom you wish to share that folder. (It also has the option to Import Contacts which then links to your email contact list so that you don't have to look up and type in every email address.) Hit the Send button and the recipient gets an email saying that you wish to share a 'link' with them. If they click on the link contained within the email they are taken direct to the folder and they can view or save the contents to their own computer. One thing they can't do is change the contents of that folder - that is under your control.

The second method of sharing information is 'Share a folder'. To 'Share a Folder' the recipient has to be registered with Dropbox ie with a little bit of software downloaded as stated earlier.

(I have also experienced recipients who try to use certain tablets for accessing shared folders and the tablets don't like it or file formats particularly videos, there are limitations on the tablet software.)

The process to 'Share a Folder' is similar to the above just a different selection icon, and then insert the appropriate email address. The recipient of the email can then share that folder and upload other stuff to that folder for you to see; they can modify the files (if of suitable type) etc., so it's like having a shared drive. If any party to a shared folder uploads/deletes/modifies/renames or does something within that folder you get a flashed message on your screen saying what has been done by whom. You can also investigate the history of actions within the shared folder.

I have used the system a lot and shared any given folder with many others eg eight different people using the same folder.

Now to use Dropbox for inserting a photograph into a post on the Tormek Forum, this is slightly different again, where you are inserting into your forum post a direct link to an online storage address.

So assume I have got my Tools folder on Dropbox and I have uploaded my reduced size photos, say three off, and they are named 'One' 'Two' and 'Three'.

(There is no need to give them specific names as the system doesn't need it eg DSC 12345 as applied by the camera will work - as long as you know what photo you want to select.)

Now we get to the fun part! What you are trying to achieve is pasting into the Forum Post an online shared link or path (image address) which finds your photograph stored on Dropbox and allows it to show up as a picture within your post. Due to differences between the various browsers - Safari; Firefox; Internet Explorer, etc., you will find there are some differences in how you achieve this. The basic premise is the same. I will attempt to give a procedure for each browser.

*Using Safari as on a Mac


In the Dropbox folder click on 'One' and the photograph promptly opens up on your screen. Right click on the photo and a menu box opens up. Click on 'Copy Image Address'. This saves the image address on to the clipboard. Close the photo. Go to the Tormek Forum where you are compiling your post. Select the 'Insert Image" icon (bottom row, far left, the one under the bold B).

This puts [img] [img] into your post with a flashing cursor between the two sets of square brackets. Do a Paste function (cmd v on a Mac; control v on a pc) and this pastes the image address from the clipboard between the brackets. (It is not a picture, it is the address string which allows the forum to link to the picture on Dropbox.) Make sure that you now click the cursor outside the righthand [img] bracket and carry on with creating the rest of your post.

To view how it will look use the Preview button and this will show the picture in your post.

If say you now want to insert the next photo, click back in the post preparation window. Then go back to the Tools folder in Dropbox, click on photo 'Two' and open up the photo; right click within the photo, and select 'Copy Image Address'. Exit photo and go back to the forum, and click on Insert Image icon; do a paste function to insert the image address between the square brackets. Click outside the righthand square bracket to add more text etc. Again use Preview to see how it all looks. When ready hit the Post button, and go for a cup of tea.

**If you are using Firefox
Open the Dropbox folder, and hover the mouse over the appropriate photograph, say number One, but do not open it.

Right click and this opens up a new tab showing a box called 'Share this Image'. Within this box you can insert names/email addresses and add personal comments but ignore all that. At the bottom of this box are two buttons 'Send' and 'Get Link'.

Click on the 'Get Link' button, and you will get a message which says that the link is now copied to your clipboard.

Now return to the Tormek Forum where you are compiling your post. Select the 'Insert Image" icon (bottom row, far left, the one under the bold B).

This puts [img] [img] into your post with a flashing cursor between the two sets of square brackets. Do a Paste function (control v on a pc) and this pastes the image address from the clipboard between the brackets. (It is not a picture, it is the address string which allows the forum to link to the picture on Dropbox.) Make sure that you now click the cursor outside the righthand [img] bracket and carry on with creating the rest of your post.

To view how it will look use the Preview button and this will show the picture in your post.

If say you now want to insert the next photo, click back in the post preparation window. Then go back to the Tools folder in Dropbox, hover the mouse over photo 'Two' but do not open it; right click and this opens up the tab with the 'Share this Image' box. Click on the 'Get Link' button so that the link is now copied to your clipboard.

Go back to the Forum, click on Insert Image icon; paste function to insert the image address between the square brackets. Click outside the righthand square bracket to add more text etc. Again use Preview to see how it all looks. When ready hit the Post button, and take the rest of the day off.


***If you are using Internet Explorer
Sorry I can't help you at the moment as I do not have or use this package, and neither do my immediate contacts. If anyone cracks how to do it then please advise me of the process and I will update this post at a later date.

Hope that seems clear. 

Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2013, 08:36:56 PM
Quote from: RobinW on April 20, 2013, 07:10:42 PM


and the photograph propmptly opens up on your screen. Right click on the photo and a menu box opens up. Click on 'Copy Image Address'.

Hi Robin

Having read your very well articulated post I thought I'd give dropbox another go.  Ive also had a dropbox account for yonks so when wanting to post here it was my natural first choice.  After many frustrating attempts to copy the images location address (as you describe) in order to post here, I simply gave up in the end because I couldnt get it to work.  Thats why I wound up using photobucket.

Ive just had another go and it doesnt seem to matter where within dropbox's folder options my pic is....when you right click, it doesnt give the option for the command you describe.  Im either getting the standard ie print, copy etc long list of options (like you get from any web page in Internet Explorer) or when I expand the photo as you describe above a shorter list but without the syntax you describe.

Ive tried it in the desktop folders, on the web version.  With the pics in the camera uplaods folder or in a seperate folder named by me...all the same....no option to copy images address.  Cant fathom what Im doing wrong??
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: RobinW on April 20, 2013, 09:07:19 PM
if you send me a message/email with your email address, I'll set up a folder and invite you to share. Then we can either do it on the phone or Skype and see if what you see is the same as me. I think there may be a few differences when using a pc to a Mac (or am I getting confused with Skype?)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2013, 09:21:01 PM
Hi Robin I've pm'd you my contact details.  Tonight is bad though as Im just out the door. Tomorrow not so bad.  Weather down South is pretty good for once so we're gunna break the barby out tomorrow if it holds.

Cheers matey

R
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: RobinW on April 20, 2013, 10:51:24 PM
For anyone else who has tried my instructions about linking to Dropbox, you apparently get a different set of options come up if using Firefox or other browser. (What a surprise!)

I have opened up a Dropbox folder with some photos and sent Rob some alternative instructions to play with. If these are successful (already proven with Firefox) then I will update the above post so anyone should be able to get success.
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2013, 03:23:08 AM
Test

(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/0/AAC8Dac31gZbfoBVVxM3F7kkRQCGotVFTXo81odeHHDt8w/12/136049451/jpeg/32x32/3/_/1/2/2013-04-19%2009.20.45.jpg/LyzY9k-quKn1XZHVdiYMuolIghCduFmdREWobv1l6KY?size=1280x960)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2013, 03:28:41 AM
well....if thats not a bugger me I dont know what is!!

After I received your email I just flirted with the idea that this was an IE vs Firefox thing.  I reasoned....noooo surely Bill Gates cant be that bad....but then I remembered my sons Windows 8 PC we bought him for xmas....now thats the worst operating system GUI Ive ever seen in my life (and I was raised on the BBC Micro followed by DOS!!!)

So I figured....maybe its an IE thing.

Loaded up Firefox and sure enough...right click on the image and the copy address command is there.  In IE that command doesnt come up???

Its like they've deliberately engineered it badly....I despair.....I have all IOS devices for mobile, tablet etc, but still have a PC as my main computer.....next time I really think I'll go MAC!!

Thanks for the help Robin but I'm sorted now...I'll just use FF going fwd.

Cheers
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: RobinW on April 21, 2013, 03:06:33 PM
Dropbox - Picture Posting Procedure

I have updated post number 56 as there are differences dependent on the browser someone may be using.

Procedure now shows how to use Safari (Mac) and Firefox (pc).
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: mike40 on July 03, 2013, 06:23:40 PM
I am trying to download a photo from Photobucket where I have only two options, email img or HTML. I am trying email img first.

/Users/mike/Pictures/iPhoto Library/Masters/2013/07/03/20130703-174829/DSC_0003.JPG
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: mike40 on July 03, 2013, 06:27:01 PM
Any suggestions. Rob said he uses direct link, but I don't have that option for some reason.
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Mike Fairleigh on July 03, 2013, 06:31:23 PM
Mike, from Photobucket just use the tag that is titled "IMG" or "Image code."  When you paste it in here, the line should begin with (http://and%20end%20with){IMG} and end with {/IMG} except with square brackets instead of squigglies.
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: mike40 on July 03, 2013, 06:34:34 PM
I activated the direct link option in Photobucket. Let's see if works now (thanks to Rob's work on this).

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/mikego/media/4ef3d70a-9b38-4022-8f15-1786a8e702fd.jpg.html
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: mike40 on July 03, 2013, 06:38:28 PM
Well, that didn't work. I'll try again.

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/mikego/media/4ef3d70a-9b38-4022-8f15-1786a8e702fd.jpg.html
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on July 03, 2013, 06:46:51 PM
Hi Mike

It did work but as a hyperlink rather than a picture which renders directly in the post.

Point being I got to see your chisel.  It isn't abundantly clear but it looks pretty freshly ground to me....in which case......do we hear champagne corks popping???

Have you taken the maiden voyage???
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: mike40 on July 03, 2013, 07:06:26 PM
Ok Mike. Thanks, I'll give it a try again. Third time lucky (maybe). [img]http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/mikego/DSC_0003.jpg[img]

Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: mike40 on July 03, 2013, 07:22:43 PM
Yes Rob! To say that I am thrilled with the Tormek would be an understatement. I didn't have anything with a really bad bevel on it so I used the fine stone grading for an old chisel and a plane blade. Super results!! Square and scary sharp. What looks like a candle on the edge is just a shiny spot from honing. I shaved off the end grain on some pine and it left a nice shiny surface and some nice shavings. Couldn't be better. I have to admit that the striations left on the blade in the videos worried me, as I get a very similar result direct off my grinder when renewing a bevel, but results belie the looks. I now know that I made a sound investment. Here's a link to the plane blade. [IMG]http://s647.photobucket.com/user/mikego/media/DSC_0009.jpg.html[IMG]
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on July 03, 2013, 10:23:12 PM
Excellent Mike...good for you :-)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: grepper on July 05, 2013, 01:32:54 AM
Hey Mike,

Is this what you are trying to do?

(http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/mikego/4ef3d70a-9b38-4022-8f15-1786a8e702fd.jpg)

I used the below URL: 

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/mikego/4ef3d70a-9b38-4022-8f15-1786a8e702fd.jpg

Like this, but remove the two X's in the 'img" prefix and suffix:

[Ximg]URL[X/img]


Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: mike40 on July 05, 2013, 01:19:43 PM
Thanks Grepper, I give it another try now.



(http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/mikego/4ef3d70a-9b38-4022-8f15-1786a8e702fd.jpg)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: mike40 on July 05, 2013, 01:42:31 PM
Ok, here I go again.


[img]http://s647.photobucket.com/user/mikego/media/4ef3d70a-9b38-4022-8f15-1786a8e702fd.jpg[img]

Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: mike40 on July 05, 2013, 01:44:56 PM
I haven't used Photobucket for quite awhile and they have changed thing since my last time. I guess I need to get all the steps spelled out for me to get it.
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Herman Trivilino on July 05, 2013, 04:53:25 PM
Add a forward slash before the fourth from last character.

Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: mike40 on July 05, 2013, 07:00:33 PM
Ok Herman, here we go again.

(http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/mikego/4ef3d70a-9b38-4022-8f15-1786a8e702fd.jpg)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: mike40 on July 05, 2013, 07:42:58 PM
Thanks much Grepper and Herman. I get a longer URL when I click on the 'image' link in Photobucket. Not sure if that will work too, but at least there's progress. Now I will try to show you the edge pic I took with a flash. No candle! I thought I was fairly good at hand honing. I use diamond plates and  strop with paste (instead of water stones which I know are better). But I have to admit that I got a much better edge with the Tormek and with a lot less effort. The honing wheel worked great for me too. I gave my freshly sharpened chisel the paper cutting test, shave my arm a little and cut some pine end grain and it passed all three tests with flying colors.

I owe some of my initial success to you guys here on the forum and discussions about square edges and such. It made me double check that the chisel was squarely in the jig, which it was not the first time I tightened it. I free handed the honing on the chisel as suggested by Rob and that worked great, both the bevel and the back. I could feel and hear when I was running on the edge. I used the jig to hone the plane iron and that worked perfect too. The back was already polished, so that wasn't necessary except a little freehand to remove the burr.

This is a very satisfying start. I am now considering getting the turning package too and the mount to use the Tormek jigs with my bench grinder for HSS tools. I think that might be my Christmas present this year. I'm also looking forward to participating further in the forum as I find the discussions interesting and of course relevant. Thanks again!

Here's a photo showing the front edge of my sharpened chisel done with a flash and guess what, no candle! I just wanted to see if I could actually post another picture. I had to use the Direct link option to get this to work.

(http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/mikego/DSC_0010.jpg)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: grepper on July 05, 2013, 08:29:27 PM
Way to go Mr. Mike!  Now I see the picture. :)

I saw what happened to you before.  Your tried:

(I'm leaving off the square brackets just so I can type it.  You always need the square brackets for it to work)

/img URL /img

then you tried:

img URL img

It's that picky syntax!

No / on the first one, but it needs the / on the second as per Herman's instructions:

img URL /img

Above this editing box, you can use the first button on the left of the bottom row of buttons, just below B (bold) button.  It will put the "img" stuff in for  you, and then you can just paste the URL between them.

Anyway, look like it's working!


Mark
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Jeff Farris on July 06, 2013, 05:30:01 AM
Mike,

You had a "/" before img at the start. That's the "off switch" for html code. "(http://)" tells it the address is over. I took it out, and it works fine!
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: mike40 on July 06, 2013, 09:59:32 AM
Thanks Jeff. This was pointed out to me by Herman and it finally worked for me. I'm having a lot less problem with my new Tormek. Here a shot of it in my shop. It is occupying the one last remaining space I have, which turned out to be next to my lathe. I put a piece of plastic under it to make it easy to clean up water spills. I didn't get the turntable accessory yet, and I am wondering if the machine can still be tilted using one?

(http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/mikego/DSC_0004-1.jpg)

(http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/mikego/DSC_0005-1.jpg)]


Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Herman Trivilino on July 06, 2013, 04:06:00 PM
I would recommend waterproofing the entire top of that cabinet.  And you need some way to prevent water from entering that drawer.

I took a scrap piece of 3/4" plywood and covered it with a scrap piece of vinyl flooring.  (Hey, it's what I had!).

Then I wrapped the edges with some pieces of scrap, forming a small lip to contain any small spills.

You'll inevitably find yourself putting an edge, or smoothing over some piece of metal, on some piece of metal that will draw the water off the grindstone and onto the bench top.

My table saw does double duty as a platform for my Tormek.  I have a large piece of wood that covers the entire saw table and extensions, and then the above-described platform sits on top of it.  I've never had the saw get wet.
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: mike40 on July 06, 2013, 04:27:13 PM
Thanks for the tip Herman. I do have that extender for the water trough, but I already spilled a bit while fiddling with the trough first time out. I just used what I had on hand under the machine, but I will take your advice and come up with a good permanent solution.
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on July 29, 2013, 10:00:32 PM
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b598/byoomholay/Tormek%20Stuff/cc6feba9-3fab-4551-bdc1-8249c1c9717b_zps2d29035d.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/byoomholay/media/Tormek%20Stuff/cc6feba9-3fab-4551-bdc1-8249c1c9717b_zps2d29035d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: Rob on July 29, 2013, 10:04:21 PM
I've just discovered that if you use the img option in photobucket, you don't need to worry about selecting the little mona lisa picture icon followed by pasting from direct link into the resultant html brackets.

You can just paste (ctrl-v) anywhere in the post
Title: Re: Photobucket picture uploading tests
Post by: mike40 on July 29, 2013, 11:49:03 PM
 I will give it a try Rob. Worked great. The photo is a guy (I think his name is Thor) wondering who took his chisel.

(http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/mikego/DSC_0012.jpg) (http://s647.photobucket.com/user/mikego/media/DSC_0012.jpg.html)