I often get replies to my posts stating "need photos". I agree, photos would help clarify things. I can make digital photos. My bottleneck is getting them from my ipad or macbook to the forum post.
I know there are two venues for photo insertion, the official insertion program and third parties. The official program stores photos on the forum, with limits of four photos, each not larger than 250 kB. The third parties store photos off site and do not have the size and quantity limits.
I don't have a problem with the limits themselves. In fact, we lost many useful photos when Photobucket, the first third party used on this forum, went from free to $400. Four photos per post seems both reasonable and workable to me. I am willing to work at 250 kB per photo. My difficulty is reliably and easily sizing my images down to conform to the limit. I don't mind working within 250 kB if I can easily get there and not end up with images well below the 250 kB limit. I want all the image quality I can get within the program limits.
I am also willing to work with a third party app, if it works well with ios (ipad). Also working well with my macbook would be a big plus. I don't mind paying reasonable fees.
I have used the Image Size app, but with limited success.
Your thoughts would be most appreciated.
Ken
Quote from: Ken S on October 12, 2018, 04:58:00 PM
I often get replies to my posts stating "need photos". I agree, photos would help clarify things. I can make digital photos. My bottleneck is getting them from my ipad or macbook to the forum post.
I know there are two venues for photo insertion, the official insertion program and third parties. The official program stores photos on the forum, with limits of four photos, each not larger than 250 kB. The third parties store photos off site and do not have the size and quantity limits.
I don't have a problem with the limits themselves. In fact, we lost many useful photos when Photobucket, the first third party used on this forum, went from free to $400. Four photos per post seems both reasonable and workable to me. I am willing to work at 250 kB per photo. My difficulty is reliably and easily sizing my images down to conform to the limit. I don't mind working within 250 kB if I can easily get there and not end up with images well below the 250 kB limit. I want all the image quality I can get within the program limits.
I am also willing to work with a third party app, if it works well with ios (ipad). Also working well with my macbook would be a big plus. I don't mind paying reasonable fees.
I have used the Image Size app, but with limited success.
Your thoughts would be most appreciated.
Ken
Hello Ken
Today almost everyone has an account on Google, so it should be easy that from your iphone, ipad, have google app, in the itunes store are all and are free, for example with google photos is the one I use, I can upload unlimited photos in any size and then I only have the option to share image, copy and paste in the forum of tormek and now, the configuration and use is easy and keeps private what you want private and you only share what you want.
Google drive can also serve you, and it has like 15 GB free
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/google-photos/id962194608?mt=8 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/google-photos/id962194608?mt=8)
I hope it's useful for you.
I found the app "Image Size (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/image-size/id670766542?mt=8)" easy to use. (Free too).
You can reduce the size of the picture, and it will show the size of the file. It works directly with the photos on your iPad, (saves the result as a new picture). (Here's an example showing this)...
(https://forum.tormek.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3771.0;attach=2749)
(A screenshot of a picture being resized in the app... then resized to post)...🤪
Thanks, guys. I will explore both options. I expect both will prove useful for me. Now, if I combine these two good program suggestions with some focused practice............
As the old saying goes, "No se ganó Zamora en una hora." (The fortress of Zamora, the last Moorish stronghold in Spain, was not conquered in an hour.) I find it more pleasant to say than "Rome wasn't built in a day."
I'll keep you both posted.
Ken
Kinda crazy.... but while looking up info on photos... it looks like Photobuckt might have "caved"... I'm seeing photos that were posted before, that were blocked because of their pricing. So gonna try...
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e16/cbw34/WSKTS-KO-BGA/f9d93cc9bf23ac9554cc7807c1bbe944_zps7317e763.jpg)
How 'bout that! ( From Photbucket)!
Still not sure I'd trust, but at least older photos are visible...
Edit to add: Guess they're gonna try watermarks...
Quote from: PhotobucketPhotobucket hosts over 30 million images for free every day! In order to keep our basic hosting services absolutely free for all members, we overlay a discreet "proudly hosted on Photobucket" watermark on all images that are displayed by our free members on sites other than photobucket.com.
By watermarking images, we are able to reduce our brand marketing expenses to offset our bandwidth costs. Everyone wins!
If you prefer your images to remain watermark-free, we invite you to upgrade to one of our affordable plans that includes enhanced hosting services starting at $4.03/month (billed annually).
If you are talking about the "official" site as the Tormek forum, the old limit may have been four, but I recall they upped it to eight and I have loaded as many at times.
For photo manipulation, I've been using ACDSee for around 15 yrs. It does all sorts of stuff and is easy to use. Yes, it does cost something. I have PhotoShop and Lightroom but find them way too complicated for fast and easy use. Mostly what I do for photos I want to upload is 1) Crop and 2) Resize. Only takes seconds.
Rick
CB,
We lost many good photos with "Photobucketgate". I hope they will reappear.
Rick,
Nice program, however, it doesn't seem compatable with ios (the ipad program).
Ken
Quote from: Ken S on October 14, 2018, 11:39:52 PM
...snip...
Rick,
Nice program, however, it doesn't seem compatable with ios (the ipad program).
Ken
That may be. I make the mistake often of forgetting about iOS users, even though my mobile phone is an iPhone and I have and use an iPad. I just don't use either for photo manipulation, just for looking at them.
Maybe I should take a look at the app CB posted about, "Image Size".
Rick
Interesting points, Rick. I don't manipulate the photos on my ipad, except for size. When I finally went fully digital, I sold or gave away my film cameras and darkroom. Part of the proceeds went for my new "darkroom", a Macbook. I use it to store my digital images. I have my Lightroom subscription loaded on it. With my present digital camera and Lightroom, I finally have the flexibility I had for decades using the Zone System with 35mm and view cameras.
Back in high school, my father taught me to "get it right on the negative". Dad was an excellent photographic technician. Over the years I have followed his dictum. Working carefully, I rarely find the need for digital manipulation, especially for images viewed on a computer screen.
I like the speed with which I can make photos with my ipad. Resizing them for the forum is a speed bump. My difficulty with the Image Size program that CB has suggested is my lack of experience with it. An hour or two of focused work with it should solve that problem. I need to become consistent in resizing to just under 250kB.
We talk about the learning curve. I find it is ongoing. That's not a complaint, just a statement.
Ken
Quote from: Ken S on October 15, 2018, 12:04:47 PM
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I need to become consistent in resizing to just under 250kB.
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I don't resize based on file size... as someone pointed out a while back, having a picture that is 480 pixels across (horizontally) or less "fits" and makes them easy to view on smaller devices. (The program will "auto size" vertically). Don't worry about trying to be "just under 250kb" (not that important for a forum post IMO).
Edit to add: and I should add, a bit smaller size makes them easier to load (and uses less data) on a mobile plan. ;)
Quote from: Ken S on October 14, 2018, 11:39:52 PM
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We lost many good photos with "Photobucketgate". I hope they will reappear.
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It looks like they have... (for now anyway...). :o
I have been able to resize images and select them from the photos app. I click on the (http://?%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3EThanks.%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3EKen%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E%5Bimg%5D%C3%9F)
Quote from: Ken S on October 15, 2018, 12:04:47 PM
...snip...
With my present digital camera and Lightroom, I finally have the flexibility I had for decades using the Zone System with 35mm and view cameras.
...snip...
Ken
Nice. I studied and used the Zone System back when I had a darkroom (70s-80s). While I could do well enough technically with it, I just felt I didn't have the artistic element necessary to create really good photographs. I used the Zone System as professed by Fred Picker. I still have the cold light head that I had for my Beseler 23C enlarger.
I'll have to look closer at Lightroom. I may contact you privately for pointers.
Rick
Quote from: Ken S on October 15, 2018, 04:51:24 PM
I have been able to resize images and select them from the photos app. I click on the [img] button, but am unable to load them onto the post. Any thoughts?
Thanks.
Ken
You still have to Attach the file to the post, then if you want the picture to appear within the post, copy the link of the attached photo, and then modify the post and use that link with the image button. So....
Create a post or reply
Attach the photo to the post (like normal)
Post the reply
Copy the link you'll now see underneath the attachment
Click on Modify
Put the cursor where you want the image
Click on the image link and paste the link you copied
Easier done than said. ::) :o
Yes, easier said than done...
That process is very annoying. With more than a couple photos, that iterative process of copying the URL once the message is posted and then going to modify it and pasting in the URL for the photo is very time consuming. I have taken to uploading all the photos and then posting the message. Once posted, I copy each link (URL) and paste them into Notebook. Once the text of the links are all in Notebook, I go back to the post and open it to Modify it. Then I jump back and for between the browser (Tormek forum) and Notebook, quickly copying each URL and pasting into the modified text. Much faster and efficient than iteratively copying the URL, open the message to Modify, posting the message and then copying the next URL.
It would be much handier if the forum interface showed the URLs within the "Preview" so the links could be copied into the message prior to even the initial post. But, so much for wishes when it comes to getting a change like that.
Rick
Quote from: RickKrung on October 15, 2018, 07:05:52 PM
Yes, easier said than done...
That process is very annoying. With more than a couple photos, that iterative process of copying the URL once the message is posted and then going to modify it and pasting in the URL for the photo is very time consuming. I have taken to uploading all the photos and then posting the message. Once posted, I copy each link (URL) and paste them into Notebook. Once the text of the links are all in Notebook, I go back to the post and open it to Modify it. Then I jump back and for between the browser (Tormek forum) and Notebook, quickly copying each URL and pasting into the modified text. Much faster and efficient than iteratively copying the URL, open the message to Modify, posting the message and then copying the next URL.
It would be much handier if the forum interface showed the URLs within the "Preview" so the links could be copied into the message prior to even the initial post. But, so much for wishes when it comes to getting a change like that.
Rick
I don't disagree, but the reality is, the pictures are just designed to be "attached" to the post, not placed within it. That's an "extra" that you, me, and a few others do. ;)
That being said, there might be an easier way of doing it... someone may know... I've never investigated it.
The key here is at least getting photos attached to the post... anything else is probably a bonus.
I finally cracked the code:
The problem was that for the "shortcut", which at this point is the only working method for me, I needed to "hit alt + s". The onscrreen keyboard built into my ipad has no alt (option key on a mac keyboard). If I connect my apple wireless keyboard and use alt + s, i can get the photos to load. The attached photo is of a turning skew chisel I reshaped and sharpened on the Tormek. It shows the AlanLacer grind. The original image was size to about 240 kB. I am content with the detail.
While this atachment process is workable, I think it is inefficient.
Thanks for the replies. I hope to have more photos with my posts in the future.
Ken
Quote from: Ken S on October 16, 2018, 02:02:44 AM
I finally cracked the code:
The problem was that for the "shortcut", which at this point is the only working method for me, I needed to "hit alt + s". The onscrreen keyboard built into my ipad has no alt (option key on a mac keyboard). If I connect my apple wireless keyboard and use alt + s, i can get the photos to load. The attached photo is of a turning skew chisel I reshaped and sharpened on the Tormek. It shows the AlanLacer grind. The original image was size to about 240 kB. I am content with the detail.
While this atachment process is workable, I think it is inefficient.
Thanks for the replies. I hope to have more photos with my posts in the future.
Ken
Deja-vu? (Senior moment?) ;)
Quote from: cbwx34 on September 20, 2017, 01:40:18 PM
Quote from: Ken S on September 20, 2017, 11:45:24 AM
ps to CB: I am having technical difficulties posting the early Anglemaster photos. I made them with my ipad and tried to attach them The forum program uses alt+s to attach. My screen keyboard on the ipad has no alt key. I will try using my wireless apple keyboard. It has an alt key.
Ken
I've never used alt+s to attach photos. Just click on the + sign next to "Attachments and other options, a second box will open, click on "Choose File" a box should appear at the bottom of the page screen (not page). Click on "Photo Library".... allow access if asked, from there you should be able to find and attach the photo.
(See attached photo!) ;D
(https://forum.tormek.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3349.0;attach=902)
Whoa that picture is big.... ???
I'm quite confused by this whole conversation.
To have photos show up sized for display in the forum window/screen (not spilling over to the right) I believe they need to be sized to 640 pixels wide, regardless of the file size. I've downsized Ken's posted image to 640 pixels wide and will insert it in the text after attaching it.
As for attaching files, I do not see an option for using "Alt-S". All I see is:
"hit shift+alt+s to submit/post or shift+alt+p to preview".
When it comes to actually attaching a photo, I only see the options of using the dialog box with "Browse" to bring up a dialog window for selecting a file to attach.
And then once it is selected, if you want to add more you have to click on the highlighted and "in parentheses" (more attachments).
Rick
Editing the post above by using the "Modify" button at the top right of the post and inserting the image inline into the message using the "Insert Image" from the rows of buttons above the message text window.
(https://forum.tormek.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3771.0;attach=2761) The image has been resized to 640x629 pixels and it is 99kb in size.
Maybe I'm being redundant and you have it figured out, but I was confused by what I was seeing posted.
Rick
I obviously need more work to master inserting photos. Yes, the size is much too large. I will work on that. At least I could get the photo from my ipad to the postThat was a big step for me. It is certainly not the last tep, but is going in the right direction.
Ken
Quote from: cbwx34 on October 16, 2018, 12:17:17 AM
I don't disagree, but the reality is, the pictures are just designed to be "attached" to the post, not placed within it. That's an "extra" that you, me, and a few others do. ;)
That being said, there might be an easier way of doing it... someone may know... I've never investigated it.
The key here is at least getting photos attached to the post... anything else is probably a bonus.
I don't have anything to contribute on the subject of making it easier, but I wanted to take a moment to thank you and Rick and the others who go to the effort to do this. I didn't realize it was such a pain. For some posts it makes a difference in how easy they are to follow and I appreciate the extra effort you go to.
Quote from: RickKrung on October 13, 2018, 03:27:46 PM
If you are talking about the "official" site as the Tormek forum, the old limit may have been four, but I recall they upped it to eight and I have loaded as many at times.
For photo manipulation, I've been using ACDSee for around 15 yrs. It does all sorts of stuff and is easy to use. Yes, it does cost something. I have PhotoShop and Lightroom but find them way too complicated for fast and easy use. Mostly what I do for photos I want to upload is 1) Crop and 2) Resize. Only takes seconds.
Rick
Rick, I'm glad to know that you also use ACDSee.
I am an amateur photographer, and like you have been using ACDSee for a long time, almost 2 decades, and I would say that it is an application that effectively solves small tasks with photos in a very fast way, cut back, resize, and hundreds of quick adjustments. , how to edit metadata and work in batches, this is quite useful when you have hundreds of photos that you must change the size, all are selected, and you set the size you want, one click and only let the program do magic.
https://www.acdsee.com (https://www.acdsee.com)
I have been able to successfully resize photos with the Image Size program. However all of my images seem to be resized to around 125kB, using either my ipad or dslr. With the dslr, it doesn't seem to matter with the otiginal size is. Is there a way to set the amount of reduction? I would really like to have my photos sized to very near 250kB.
Ken
Quote from: Ken S on October 22, 2018, 01:09:22 PM
I have been able to successfully resize photos with the Image Size program. However all of my images seem to be resized to around 125kB, using either my ipad or dslr. With the dslr, it doesn't seem to matter with the otiginal size is. Is there a way to set the amount of reduction? I would really like to have my photos sized to very near 250kB.
Ken
I played around with the program and settings a bit, from what I can tell, no.
Again, I don't think it matters... especially posting to the forum. Curious why you're so concerned with this? Like I said before... especially in the mobile world... smaller can be a good thing. I know in another forum I visit, if someone posts a large picture... the first complaint is... "that took forever to load on my phone".
Quote from: Ken S on October 22, 2018, 01:09:22 PM
I have been able to successfully resize photos with the Image Size program. However all of my images seem to be resized to around 125kB, using either my ipad or dslr. With the dslr, it doesn't seem to matter with the otiginal size is. Is there a way to set the amount of reduction? I would really like to have my photos sized to very near 250kB.
Ken
I too, am curious why you are concerned about the file size being around 250kb. Is that to make it under the Tormek forum site limit?
I don't worry about the file size (other than to be sure it is under the Tormek limit), just let it happen. For posting to the web, I typically resize to 640x480 (or 480x640 if portrait) at 300dpi. Just checked, using ACDSee, with a file that was 1208x960 at 300dpi and 300kb. Resizing it to 640x480, 300dpi, file size was reduced to 96kb. Another, much larger file, started out at 3024x4032, 300dpi and 5.5Mb, reduced to 480x640, 300dpi, file size 96kb.
I'm pretty sure it is the pixel density that determines how photos display on the forum, which is why I limit the largest axis to 640. Much larger and it spills over on the right.
Rick
CB and Rick,
Bit size is a difficult adjustment for me. Logically I understand it. The problem for me is my film background. Ever since 1963, I have been fighting for the last little bit of image quality. I abhored cropping. I almost never made prints larger than 8x10", even from 4x5 negatives. I was not a sharpness fanatic. I became addicted to micro contrast, the subtle tonal differences between adjoining film grains, which make up textures and tones.
I have gradually made peace with generally acceptable online quality. I have even gotten to the point where I will use a fixed focal length lens and crop.
I appreciate your ideas. I plan to use more photos in the future.
Ken
Go into the app settings...
Turn off "Calculate File Size"...
Ignorance is bliss! 🤫😉
Spontaneous laughter, CB Good one!
Ken