Anyone have any recommendations for a simple CAD program? I've used some in the past, but most seem long gone. :(
Prefer iOS (iPad)... my laptop is a Chromebook. If worse comes to worse, I have an OLD Windows computer... (it actually runs Windows 10, but grass grows faster... so it would have to be "resource friendly"). :-\ Or something online if available.
I'm looking around, but some of you are using them... so thought I'd ask here... since needs may be similar. Quite simply, I think if I can scale draw some of the Tormek "dynamics" out, I can figure out some of the setup stuff I've been trying. Don't need it too complicated.
So, suggestions welcome!! Thanks! :)
CB,
A windows based program, yes, but I have been using AutoCAD's dumbed down program called AutoSketch for quite a few years. Ver. 10 currently, which was a free download (although all previous versions I've used have been paid for). Doubt there is an iOS version.
I like it for it's simplicity. I have had licensed versions of TurboCAD for a long time also, but have never gotten past the learning curve, AutoSketch is that much easier for me, but that my just be that I am so familiar with it.
Have you looked at Google SketchUp? Been a few years since I played with it. Don't know what sort of scaling and dimensioning it does, but it is very cool the way you can reder stuff in 3D (maybe that is the only thing it does).
I have an iPad as well, but no CAD for it, so if you find something, please let me know.
Rick
CB,
I like to use LucidChart (https://www.lucidchart.com) for simple stuff. It runs via a browser, and also has an iPad client.
I also like that they have a multi-tier licensing approach where you pay for the level of features you want. There is a free level, and that meets most of my needs.
But, LucidChart is not a true CAD program. I've used Google SketchUp, but it is 3D and I've not taken the time to learn how to use it to make good drawings. Have heard good things about it though, and the price is right. Also, you can find good books on how to use it via your local library.
Kind regards,
Rich
Quote from: RickKrung on May 06, 2018, 01:45:40 AM
CB,
A windows based program, yes, but I have been using AutoCAD's dumbed down program called AutoSketch for quite a few years. Ver. 10 currently, which was a free download (although all previous versions I've used have been paid for). Doubt there is an iOS version.
I like it for it's simplicity. I have had licensed versions of TurboCAD for a long time also, but have never gotten past the learning curve, AutoSketch is that much easier for me, but that my just be that I am so familiar with it.
Have you looked at Google SketchUp? Been a few years since I played with it. Don't know what sort of scaling and dimensioning it does, but it is very cool the way you can reder stuff in 3D (maybe that is the only thing it does).
I have an iPad as well, but no CAD for it, so if you find something, please let me know.
Rick
Hey Rick... thanks for the info.
From what I can tell, Autosketch is gone... replaced by AutoCad LT... (too much $$$, and computer probably won't run it).
TurboCAD Design is a potential candidate... seems to be a cut down version of their main program, and I think it has what I need, (I'll have to check my hardware... it's Windows based).
I tried Sketchup a while back... didn't seem to do what I want. Probably should take another look.
I found an online one... LibreCAD... but the reviews are so bad, it might not be worth trying.
I found one for iOS last night... iPocketDraw. There's a free Lite version I tried... it has potential if you want to take a look at it.
Quote from: RichColvin on May 06, 2018, 03:12:34 PM
CB,
I like to use LucidChart (https://www.lucidchart.com) for simple stuff. It runs via a browser, and also has an iPad client.
I also like that they have a multi-tier licensing approach where you pay for the level of features you want. There is a free level, and that meets most of my needs.
But, LucidChart is not a true CAD program. I've used Google SketchUp, but it is 3D and I've not taken the time to learn how to use it to make good drawings. Have heard good things about it though, and the price is right. Also, you can find good books on how to use it via your local library.
Kind regards,
Rich
Thanks Rich, I'll take a look at that.
I think that's why I didn't like Sketchup... seemed to have more than I needed. What I want is basically 2D... with the ability to accurately place & measure angles, lines, etc.
Still looking for input! :)
Microsoft Visio is also great. May do what you want. Won't work on iPads or Macs, so I only use it at work.
CB,
There is one other thing to consider : I have a few old PCs that won't run Windows (and I'm not a fan of it anyway). On those, I run Linux. I prefer Ubuntu as its interface is like a Mac or Unix, but many Windows fans really prefer Linux Mint. Either way, the resulting system will run MUCH faster than with the bloat of Windows.
And there are some OpenSource CAD programs that run on Linux. Not used them, but I'd bet they do 2D well enough for you.
If you have a REALLY old PC, you may have to to to Linux for machining. Being very scaled back, it runs OK on that stuff. It is called LinuxCNC. I have one in my shop and really use it only for web browsing. (Frankly, the hardware is so old that I should just chuck it and put in another Raspberry PI machine as it works better ...)
Good luck,
Rich
Quote from: cbwx34 on May 06, 2018, 03:15:52 PM
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I found an online one... LibreCAD... but the reviews are so bad, it might not be worth trying.
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I've not heard of LibraCAD before. I have heard of and used briefly some "office" programs prefixed with "Libra...". FreeWare. Came on some new laptops when I bought them. I wonder if it is of the same suite.
Too bad about the bad reviews. The office ones seemed OK.
Rick
Rick,
The LibreOffice programs are open source. I'm a big believer in open source. It has given us some really great things :
- the Internet - given to us by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)
- the World Wide Web - give to us by the European Organization for Nuclear Research (AKA, CERN)
- web browsers - given to us by Mozilla
- LINUX - given to us by Linus Torvalds
- WikiPedia - given to us by Larry Sanger & Jimmy Wales
And I've tried to do the same with SharpeningHandbook.info.
We've all been given so much; I think it important to give back.
Kind regards,
Rich
Quote from: RichColvin on May 06, 2018, 06:26:09 PM
Rick,
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We've all been given so much; I think it important to give back.
Kind regards,
Rich
I could not agree more with you on that. I thank the powers that be, very often, even more now that I have a granddaughter.
Rick
Quote from: RichColvin on May 06, 2018, 03:30:03 PM
CB,
There is one other thing to consider : I have a few old PCs that won't run Windows (and I'm not a fan of it anyway). On those, I run Linux. I prefer Ubuntu as its interface is like a Mac or Unix, but many Windows fans really prefer Linux Mint. Either way, the resulting system will run MUCH faster than with the bloat of Windows.
And there are some OpenSource CAD programs that run on Linux. Not used them, but I'd bet they do 2D well enough for you.
If you have a REALLY old PC, you may have to to to Linux for machining. Being very scaled back, it runs OK on that stuff. It is called LinuxCNC. I have one in my shop and really use it only for web browsing. (Frankly, the hardware is so old that I should just chuck it and put in another Raspberry PI machine as it works better ...)
Good luck,
Rich
Hmmm... not a bad idea. I have run Linux before.... (not any of the CAD programs though).
Thanks.
I found a potential... the iOS program I mentioned earlier iPocket Draw (http://www.adx-online.com/prog/ipocketdraw/ipocketdraw.html), has a desktop version... RealCadd (https://www.adx-online.com/realcadd/realcaddus.htm). Files are compatible between the two, and there was an older version that works on my Windows computer. Just trying the free versions for now... but looking like it may do what I want.
Still interested in ideas, if anyone has another one! Thanks.
RichColvin mentioned LibreOffice.
That is a great office-package. It is in fact a successor of OpenOffice which has now a bad support.
I changed from OpenOffice to LibreOffice and could use my old documents.
It is free and has good documentation.
CB mentions preferring an ios (ipad) operating system. I'm all mac, and use my ipad 90+% of the time. However, I have never thought the touch screen was precise enough for drafting. Am I wrong about this?
My "drafting" is strictly primitive and just pencil and paper. I would like to be able to draft things on my ipad. Incidentally, my ipad is the smaller ipad pro, which is compatable with the apple pencil. (I do not have an apple pencil.)
Another learning curve..........
Ken
Quote from: Ken S on May 07, 2018, 10:53:47 AM
CB mentions preferring an ios (ipad) operating system. I'm all mac, and use my ipad 90+% of the time. However, I have never thought the touch screen was precise enough for drafting. Am I wrong about this?
My "drafting" is strictly primitive and just pencil and paper. I would like to be able to draft things on my ipad. Incidentally, my ipad is the smaller ipad pro, which is compatable with the apple pencil. (I do not have an apple pencil.)
Another learning curve..........
Ken
There are tools in a CAD program to make it "precise"... "snap to grid" for example, as well as the ability to enter actual measurements for the objects you're drawing... no different than measuring and plotting points with pencil and paper. (Actually much easier once you get the hang of it). The program I referenced earlier has these abilities. You wouldn't need an "apple pencil" either (I don't have one).
You're right, you can't really draw on the touch screen to accomplish it. ;)
That really is the same as on a PC. You use a mouse to select draw functions and select locations on the drawing, using snap features, etc., as CB says. Zoom features really help with precision location of points and intersections, etc.
Will the iOS CAD programs you are looking at export to file formats compatible with more traditional CAD programs, such as DWG or DXF, or possibly DWF?
Rick
Quote from: RickKrung on May 07, 2018, 03:14:42 PM
That really is the same as on a PC. You use a mouse to select draw functions and select locations on the drawing, using snap features, etc., as CB says. Zoom features really help with precision location of points and intersections, etc.
Will the iOS CAD programs you are looking at export to file formats compatible with more traditional CAD programs, such as DWG or DXF, or possibly DWF?
Rick
The iOS "Save" menu shows it will export a DXF file. The desktop menu show DXF or DWG options. (Don't see DWF).
(It also saves as a JPEG or PDF file).
So, after trying a few out, I decided to go with the RealCadd / iPocketDraw combo.
Runner up... the LibreOffice package (which is different than the LibreCAD I found before that had bad reviews)... and I think it might have worked OK... but the RealCadd was a bit more precise, (more of an actual CAD program that I'm used to anyway)... so in the long run I think it'll work out better. Plus I like being able to do some of the work on an iPad. Both run on my old Windows computer, so that was a plus.
Anyway, thanks for the input! Helped me think it thru, and try a few out.
Let the fun begin...
(https://forum.tormek.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3604.0;attach=2150)
... 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: cbwx34 on May 11, 2018, 02:40:06 PM
Let the fun begin...
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CB,
Congratulations. I have sent you a couple DXF format drawings of my progress on the SVM-45 knife jig. I hope they may be of use to you.
I am happy to share with others, if anyone is interested.
Rick
To my knowledge Sketchup is not supported on the iPad Pro platform. There are tons of people asking for it (including me) but so far ... nada. The system certainly has the power – not sure what the impediment is.
Does anyone have any idea?
Quote from: banewf on May 13, 2018, 06:16:58 AM
To my knowledge Sketchup is not supported on the iPad Pro platform. There are tons of people asking for it (including me) but so far ... nada. The system certainly has the power – not sure what the impediment is.
Does anyone have any idea?
If you're asking, "any idea" why it's not on the iPad? No. :-\
I looked at Sketchup... the free version is web based... can you use it on the iPad? It worked on my Chromebook... and has potential (there's already some Pre-drawn Tormeks in their library)... but I would get a bit "lost" in the 3-D setup. :o :o
CB,
On your duggestion, I loaded the Real Cadd/ipocket program on my ipad. I am looking forward to using it. (learning it).
Thanks,
Ken
Quote from: Ken S on May 14, 2018, 12:14:10 AM
CB,
On your duggestion, I loaded the Real Cadd/ipocket program on my ipad. I am looking forward to using it. (learning it).
Thanks,
Ken
Oh boy.... ::) ;D
(I have to add... practice drawing a chisel haha). ;)
touché.