Thank you all for your responses. Most of the time I'm using the marker method for grinding and lately I'll try out both methods for honing, Sharpie the blade edge, then adjust the FVB height/distance to just get to the very edge the blade on the leather wheel coated with the TORMEK honing compound. On a Wustof or Henkels I usually see a BESS in the 140's. If the BESS reading is in the 150's, I'll try a few more passes over the honing wheel by hand, thinking I didn't quite get to the burr with the first passes. Sometimes this works, I get a lower BESS reading, and sometimes not...I still have so much to learn.. . Part of the problem is I'm reading Vadim's book about deburring, it really is the art of getting a edge that stays sharp for a long time, but it can also be a rabbit hole without all the tools that Vadim used.